View Poll Results: Do you care?

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  • The government should never violate the Constitution

    47 85.45%
  • I don't care as long as I like the results of the violation

    2 3.64%
  • It should be only violated in exterme emgerancies

    4 7.27%
  • The constitution is outdated and should be thrown away

    2 3.64%
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry wrong, as stated the federal government could not regulate commerce inside of states until after Wickard v. Filburn in 1942, and the USSC stated in 1873 the federal government had no state policing powers to regulate inside of states.

    so your assertion that the founders intended the federal government to regulate firearms, is REFUTED AS WRONG!
    This is NOT about a debate at the present time. It is about your boast about the PAST.


    your post 85

    i have always refuted everything you ever say.
    So present it. Start with the thread and post and my quote.

    If you cannot do that - its just you debating you and not me.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no iam going to post the links, i not going to post tons and tons of information...which you will just say .."its irrelevant"...links are provided....
    You just admitted you have nothing except your own words which you will reply to. Its not you playing against me in competition. Its you playing with yourself. I have no interest in that.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Whose interpretation? No offense but, definitely not yours.
    I think the people decide.

    Here is an example of freedom of speech.

    A person yells fire in a movie theater. Do we need a law or a precedent. No. What we need is a jury of the people to decide if this particular incident was a violation of the right to freedom of speech. Today ever court case becomes a precedent or the need for a new law. Unfortunately no 2 cases are ever exactly the same so each one should be decided on the facts of that particular case not the facts of similar cases.

    We have lost the keep it simple that makes for true justice. You will never have justice when one person spends millions on lawyers to interpret the law that has become so complicated no one is sure what the law actually is. Today cases are tied up in court beyond the life time of the people involved.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is NOT about a debate at the present time. It is about your boast about the PAST.


    your post 85



    So present it. Start with the thread and post and my quote.

    If you cannot do that - its just you debating you and not me.
    i had stated that the 17th allowed the u.s federal government to expand and usurp state powers, you posted the report, making the assertion that the government was acting on behave of the general welfare, which you have cited many times of the government being able to do things which i have stated are not a general power of the federal government.

    i pointed out that you posted and ruined your own argument...because you didn't read properly the report that you had posted......i pointed out your own self imposed refute....therefore i am talking credit for it.


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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You just admitted you have nothing except your own words which you will reply to. Its not you playing against me in competition. Its you playing with yourself. I have no interest in that.
    i posted links, anyone is free to go there and read for themselves,.... even you.

    more sexual wording from you.......there must be something behind the curtain.


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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    "so say you"
    Is our Constitution being "violated" ?
    Or, Mr OP, in truth, you simply care not for another man's interpretation .
    And since this is yet another biased poll, I'll not vote .

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i had stated that the 17th allowed the u.s federal government to expand and usurp state powers, you posted the report, making the assertion that the government was acting on behave of the general welfare, which you have cited many times of the government being able to do things which i have stated are not a general power of the federal government.

    i pointed out that you posted and ruined your own argument...because you didn't read properly the report that you had posted......i pointed out your own self imposed refute....therefore i am talking credit for it.
    This is NOT about a debate at the present time. It is about your boast about the PAST.


    your post 85

    i have always refuted everything you ever say.
    So present it. Start with the thread and post and my quote.

    If you cannot do that - its just you debating you and not me.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    I think the people decide.

    Here is an example of freedom of speech.

    A person yells fire in a movie theater. Do we need a law or a precedent. No. What we need is a jury of the people to decide if this particular incident was a violation of the right to freedom of speech. Today ever court case becomes a precedent or the need for a new law. Unfortunately no 2 cases are ever exactly the same so each one should be decided on the facts of that particular case not the facts of similar cases.

    We have lost the keep it simple that makes for true justice. You will never have justice when one person spends millions on lawyers to interpret the law that has become so complicated no one is sure what the law actually is. Today cases are tied up in court beyond the life time of the people involved.
    The individual to whom I was responding favored the court system's interpretation of the Constitution. On the face of it, that sounds reasonable, however in our ever-increasing climate of judicial activism, one can no longer trust the objectivity of our "judges."

    Case in point was one Supreme Court's "interpretation" of Article 8, Section 1 of the Constitution and the phrase "general welfare." Even a simpleton reading Madison's explanation in Federalist #41 of the language used in that article would see the proper interpretation of it, that the enumerated powers given congress by the Constitution are indeed limited to those specifics outlined in Article 8 Section 1. Unfortunately, for us and for the Constitution, judicial activists with power ruled otherwise - in effect ruling in favor of their ideology and world view rather than on the actual words of the Article, let alone on the person's explanation of the wording who actually wrote the Article.

    Consequently, and sadly ironically, the very reasons Madison cited for why the wording needed to be what it was, why the argument against the wording was in error, became little more than a prophetic utterance for what has now indeed happened:
    Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States," amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction.
    So, what has that activist court done in their interpretation but the very thing Madison argued [successfully] against? It is now, because of that activist court's selfish interpretation, the case that this power HAS BECOME an unlimited commission for our federal government to exercise every power which it alleges is necessary for the common defense or general welfare.

    The very thing Madison said couldn't happen - assuming reasonable, rational people knew the meaning of words and had the ability to read - the very thing he said couldn't happen has in fact happened, thanks to a biased, partisan, activist judiciary. And so now all the federal government needs to do is demonstrate that there is a benefit to the "common defense" or "general welfare" of the people to enact virtually whatever legislation it wants - be it the Patriot Act or Obamacare or hundreds of other legislative actions that violate the founder's true intent of Article 8 Section 1 - which today is virtually worthless as a result.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i posted links, anyone is free to go there and read for themselves,.... even you.

    more sexual wording from you.......there must be something behind the curtain.
    Sexual wording!?!?!?!? You really have a combination of puritan and paranoia about you EB.

    This is NOT about a debate at the present time. It is about your boast about the PAST.


    your post 85

    i have always refuted everything you ever say.

    So present it. Start with the thread and post and my quote.

    If you cannot do that - its just you debating you and not me.

    A more accurate boast for you to claim would be "I have unsuccessfully tried to refute some of the things you said".
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sexual wording!?!?!?!? You really have a combination of puritan and paranoia about you EB.

    This is NOT about a debate at the present time. It is about your boast about the PAST.


    your post 85




    So present it. Start with the thread and post and my quote.

    If you cannot do that - its just you debating you and not me.

    A more accurate boast for you to claim would be "I have unsuccessfully tried to refute some of the things you said".
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Haymarket refuted!

    as stated the federal government could not regulate commerce inside of states until after Wickard v. Filburn in 1942, and the USSC stated in 1873 the federal government had no state policing powers to regulate inside of states.

    so your assertion that the founders intended the federal government to regulate firearms, is REFUTED AS WRONG!

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    The state justified the law under the “police powers” of the state. Those were powers that historically had fallen within the sovereign powers of government. The police-powers concept, which stretched back into English and European history, of course didn’t apply to the federal government because the federal government had no sovereign powers — its powers were limited to those enumerated within the Constitution. But the concept still applied to the states.

    Haymarket refuted, when he stated the founders intended that the federal government regulate firearms, by using the commerce clause and the 2nd amendment.


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