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  • The government should never violate the Constitution

    47 85.45%
  • I don't care as long as I like the results of the violation

    2 3.64%
  • It should be only violated in exterme emgerancies

    4 7.27%
  • The constitution is outdated and should be thrown away

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You were challenged to present a dozen. You failed to present even one.

    That failure and impotence on your part speaks volumes about your boast and claim.
    i am pressed for time now, so i am going to have to make this a continuing post to show your failures.

    but i am not going to go spree to post a dozen of those failures, so i shall post 2.

    i will give you 2, one being an oldie and goodie, Hamilton's Report on Manufactures, where you claimed hamilton said that government could do just about anything which was necessary and proper.......and the most recent is the one where you claiming the founders intended for firearms to be regulated by the federal government in the constitution.

    as i said.... i am pressed for time at this moment , but when i return i will post the links to them, and how you failed and your deceptions in those post.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    In my opinion, many in government these days, including our current President, interpret the Constitution however they want it to read, and the courts have been as equally guilty of that as anybody. When you cannot trust the President or Congress or the courts to comply with the Constitution as it was originally intended, we are all pretty well screwed.

    And yes, I am personally bothered by that a lot.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am pressed for time now, so i am going to have to make this a continuing post to show your failures.

    but i am not going to go spree to post a dozen of those failures, so i shall post 2.

    i will give you 2, one being an oldie and goodie, Hamilton's Report on Manufactures, where you claimed hamilton said that government could do just about anything which was necessary and proper.......and the most recent is the one where you claiming the founders intended for firearms to be regulated by the federal government in the constitution.

    as i said.... i am pressed for time at this moment , but when i return i will post the links to them, and how you failed and your deceptions in those post.

    for now i have a LATE lunch engagement, BUT i shall return...
    You presented nothing but your own skewed words.

    Present my posts and show how you refuted them.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Simple question do you care if the Government violates the Constitution?
    I think it is often necessary for the Courts to redefine the Constitution to better fit with our present circumstances or unexpected contingencies. For example, there is a school of thought that essentially views Brown v. Board as a moment of 'Constitutional Amendment' with the legal arguments put forth serving as a smoke screen for that fact. Decisions should always be rooted in the law and have a basis in a legitimate form of Constitutional interpretation in order to retain the legitimacy of the courts--but I'm not bothered if these are smokescreens for necessary changes. This sort of flexibility has, I believe, served us well throughout our history.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I think it is often necessary for the Courts to redefine the Constitution to better fit with our present circumstances or unexpected contingencies. For example, there is a school of thought that essentially views Brown v. Board as a moment of 'Constitutional Amendment' with the legal arguments put forth serving as a smoke screen for that fact. Decisions should always be rooted in the law and have a basis in a legitimate form of Constitutional interpretation in order to retain the legitimacy of the courts--but I'm not bothered if these are smokescreens for necessary changes. This sort of flexibility has, I believe, served us well throughout our history.
    So courts should be allowed to change it and by pass the amendment process?

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Well, Redress has already asked you...

    However, I always would like to know of these bad flaws. I can understand someone calling the constitution flawed. Nothing in this world seems to be perfect. Calling it highly flawed is interesting though.

    The constitution, in my opinion which you don't care about, is nearly perfect not because of what is written on it, but because it was made specifically for the people and by the people and through the people, it can change, evolve, better itself.
    Flaw 1: It was written during a different cultural and socioeconomic times.
    Flaw 2: Wording can be ambiguous.

    Both are absolutely crippling flaws for any legal document.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So courts should be allowed to change it and by pass the amendment process?
    Yes. Limited by the circumstances of the decision in question and its context. We have mechanisms for striking back at egregious decisions that so baldly violate the Constitution both in letter and in spirit, and upset important policy objectives. As yet we have not needed to draw upon them. I take that as one sign that the system works quite well.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Yes. Limited by the circumstances of the decision in question and its context. We have mechanisms for striking back at egregious decisions that so baldly violate the Constitution both in letter and in spirit, and upset important policy objectives. As yet we have not needed to draw upon them. I take that as one sign that the system works quite well.
    Ok at least you are honest about allowing the Constitution being violated.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Ok at least you are honest about allowing the Constitution being violated.
    I always aim to be as honest and consistent in my political beliefs as possible.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Flaw 1: It was written during a different cultural and socioeconomic times.
    Flaw 2: Wording can be ambiguous.

    Both are absolutely crippling flaws for any legal document.
    Flaw 1: And? And we amend it to keep it relevant in current times.

    For example, slavery was OK and the constitution didn't do **** about it, then we thought for a little and said "**** slavery," and lo and behold, the constitution, in accordance with the times, was amended to showcase this.

    Flaw 2: ambiguity is subjective, but I can't necessarily disagree with you either, so I'll just leave it at that.
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