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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    this is the same discussion as the gun debate, and just about every other political debate when it comes to "public safety." It is the fault of the owner, there is no sense in punishing responsible pit bull owners due to the inability of a select few to be responsible.

    While I'm not in favor of a full on ban on pitbulls, I feel compelled to point out that there is a major difference in the debate.


    Guns are not self-propelled weapons systems with the capacity to independently target and attack the wrong targets when simply left unattended. Pit bulls are.

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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    While I'm not in favor of a full on ban on pitbulls, I feel compelled to point out that there is a major difference in the debate.


    Guns are not self-propelled weapons systems with the capacity to independently target and attack the wrong targets when simply left unattended. Pit bulls are.
    Beat me to it. I was just about to say essentially the same thing.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Paying the vet bill was responsible. Letting the dogs run loose was irresponsible. If you've read what I wrote, large dogs should have a fenced yard and when outside the fence should be on a leash. In addition, socialization would have solved the issue.

    Rottweilers were bred to drive cattle and protect the butcher after the cattle were driven to market. In Rottweil they were known as the butchers dog. Pit bulls have unfortunately been bred to fight but even at that, responsible dog owners contain their dogs, socialize them when they are young, watch them around children and keep them on a leash when not in the yard. That is being a responsible dog owner, regardless of breading. In addition, the bad owners and breeders have given pit bulls a bad reputation.
    Pits or dogs that are considered pits accounted for 27 deaths in 2014. Not to minimize the deaths of 27 people or anything, but we aren't talking about a national crisis of scale here. I've been fostering pits for years and never once had one of them attack me, my husband, our kids, or anyone we know. And of the 27 deaths in 2014, you can trace almost all of them to irresponsible owners.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Pits or dogs that are considered pits accounted for 27 deaths in 2014. Not to minimize the deaths of 27 people or anything, but we aren't talking about a national crisis of scale here. I've been fostering pits for years and never once had one of them attack me, my husband, our kids, or anyone we know. And of the 27 deaths in 2014, you can trace almost all of them to irresponsible owners.
    I understand your point, but the pit bull mix next to me mauled a 12 year old girl, first bite in 8 years for that dog.

    And, again, there are 'irresponsible' owners of all breeds of dogs, but somehow pits top the list of deadly attacks. They are bred to fight and kill. And there are 100s of dog breed choices. I guess I'm not sure why we should allow anyone with a pulse and who can afford dog food to own a breed that is so inherently dangerous and that has been genetically engineered to be dangerous.

    Finally, I can't find the stats, but deaths are only part of the story. There are thousands of maimed people, like my neighbor girl, who had three surgeries to repair her calf from a pit bull attack.

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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    While I'm not in favor of a full on ban on pitbulls, I feel compelled to point out that there is a major difference in the debate.


    Guns are not self-propelled weapons systems with the capacity to independently target and attack the wrong targets when simply left unattended. Pit bulls are.
    If brought up correctly and not put in a position where it needs to defend itself, a pit bull will not cause harm to people. I had a pitbull for 8 years and it was the sweetest dog i have ever had to be completely honest.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I understand your point, but the pit bull mix next to me mauled a 12 year old girl, first bite in 8 years for that dog.

    And, again, there are 'irresponsible' owners of all breeds of dogs, but somehow pits top the list of deadly attacks. They are bred to fight and kill. And there are 100s of dog breed choices. I guess I'm not sure why we should allow anyone with a pulse and who can afford dog food to own a breed that is so inherently dangerous and that has been genetically engineered to be dangerous.

    Finally, I can't find the stats, but deaths are only part of the story. There are thousands of maimed people, like my neighbor girl, who had three surgeries to repair her calf from a pit bull attack.
    The stats are very easy to find.

    2014 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org

    No, pits are not all bred to "fight and kill". Most are not bred to do either one.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    But I referred to non-fatal injuries, and you pointed me to a page about deaths. The point was my neighbor doesn't show up in your death stats, but the three surgeries from a "sweet" pit bull mix are a big part of the problem.

    No, pits are not all bred to "fight and kill". Most are not bred to do either one.
    Sure they are - like labs have been bred to retrieve. It's in the gene pool.

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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    If brought up correctly and not put in a position where it needs to defend itself, a pit bull will not cause harm to people. I had a pitbull for 8 years and it was the sweetest dog i have ever had to be completely honest.
    Did you read posts 62 and 68? This dog was brought up correctly and had been trained professionaly. Yet, the pitbull was still extremely aggressive in common, everyday situations. I am sure there a few inherently docile pitbulls, and there are also some pitbulls that can trained and managed.

    There are evidently also many that cannot be managed by expereinced or even professional owners, much less a total amateur simply looking for a "bad ass" status symbol.

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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, pits are not all bred to "fight and kill". Most are not bred to do either one.
    True, most are currently not bred to "fight and kill". This does not change the fact that they have many generations of selective breeding to bring out those characteristics.

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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But I referred to non-fatal injuries, and you pointed me to a page about deaths. The point was my neighbor doesn't show up in your death stats, but the three surgeries from a "sweet" pit bull mix are a big part of the problem.



    Sure they are - like labs have been bred to retrieve. It's in the gene pool.
    Your neighbor could have been attacked by any kind of dog. I know people who had stitches because of bites from Basset Hounds, Jack Russells, Labs, Cocker Spaniels, Greyhounds, and so on. That isn't a reason to ban any of them. I've known pits for decades and never knew one who was aggressive.

    No, most pits are not bred to fight and kill. That is a fact. There are some who are owned by trash in the inner cities and trailer parks. Those are bred for dog fighting. Most pits are not bred to be fighters and will never be in a position to fight or feel a desire to fight. Being in their "gene pool" isn't relevant. You need to do some research before making false claims.
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