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Should pit bulls be banned?

Should pit bulls be banned?


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Bad owner and bad person aren't the same thing. I think that's what you are resisting.

The problem I have with the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" thesis is most owners ARE "bad" with their dogs, at least in my experience. They don't train them, walk them infrequently, ignore them, don't have the first clue how to establish dominance, or when they fail how to remedy it, etc. So the "bad owners" are more or less normal people and normal owners who are otherwise likely responsible people.

And the problem with pit bulls and the like is they require much more skill and consistent effort than most dogs, and if the owner fails (as most do), their failure with dangerous breeds put me and my dogs at serious risk of death or injury.

So IMO it's entirely appropriate for a community to 1) limit ownership of some breeds (license them or otherwise require some evidence prospective owners are capable of handling them) or 2) alternatively to ban them as pets. Responsible breeders would ALWAYS do the first step, and I don't see why a community's standards should be less than a responsible breeder.
 
The problem I have with the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" thesis is most owners ARE "bad" with their dogs, at least in my experience. They don't train them, walk them infrequently, ignore them, don't have the first clue how to establish dominance, or when they fail how to remedy it, etc. So the "bad owners" are more or less normal people and normal owners who are otherwise likely responsible people.

And the problem with pit bulls and the like is they require much more skill and consistent effort than most dogs, and if the owner fails (as most do), their failure with dangerous breeds put me and my dogs at serious risk of death or injury.

So IMO it's entirely appropriate for a community to 1) limit ownership of some breeds (license them or otherwise require some evidence prospective owners are capable of handling them) or 2) alternatively to ban them as pets. Responsible breeders would ALWAYS do the first step, and I don't see why a community's standards should be less than a responsible breeder.

At least where I live, pits are banned in a lot of areas. Apartments and many hoa's ban them often
 
The problem I have with the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" thesis is most owners ARE "bad" with their dogs, at least in my experience. They don't train them, walk them infrequently, ignore them, don't have the first clue how to establish dominance, or when they fail how to remedy it, etc. So the "bad owners" are more or less normal people and normal owners who are otherwise likely responsible people.

And the problem with pit bulls and the like is they require much more skill and consistent effort than most dogs, and if the owner fails (as most do), their failure with dangerous breeds put me and my dogs at serious risk of death or injury.

So IMO it's entirely appropriate for a community to 1) limit ownership of some breeds (license them or otherwise require some evidence prospective owners are capable of handling them) or 2) alternatively to ban them as pets. Responsible breeders would ALWAYS do the first step, and I don't see why a community's standards should be less than a responsible breeder.

Your first paragraph is what I've been saying to Goshin.

The second paragraph...see above.

The third paragraph...1) agree and 2) disagree.
 
The death and destruction they have caused. Not so much their fault, but it happens never the less.

I could say that for 100s of things, that's not a legit reason try again.
 
If I were renting out a property, I would also prefer people not living there who own fight type dogs or if I have the feeling they are responsible dog owners they could but it should be no more than 1 adult dog for any big dog breed or fighting dog breed.
 
I disagree. If a dog lunges at me in an apparent attempt to bite, he attacked me... whether the bite was successfully completed or not. Many dogs have attacked me; few have succeeded in biting me. But in any case I am sorry if there was confusion, thus my explanation that I was referring to what I perceived as "attempts to attack".










I have no control over this. It is not my dog, nor is it in my household. I can advise and persuade and that is all.






"Bad owner" sounds a lot like "bad person", which is perhaps why this assertion runs into resistance. "Owner who is in over her head and doesn't realize it" would be cumbersome but more accurate and less accusatory.

And it is also more or less what I've been saying in the thread, or attempting to say: I don't advocate banning pit bulls as a breed, but I wish everyone was more fully aware of the potential dangers and realized that owning a pit bull is not for everyone, and you shouldn't own a dog if you're not sure you can manage him safely.

When it comes to Pitts, I am inclined by my experiences to err on the side of "don't".

I don't know you and I'm not trying to cast aspersions. If you have been attacked by dogs many time you are either a postman who walks a rout or doing something wrong. Dogs are very instinctive. If my dog doesn't like someone I probably don't either.
 
I don't know you and I'm not trying to cast aspersions. If you have been attacked by dogs many time you are either a postman who walks a rout or doing something wrong. Dogs are very instinctive. If my dog doesn't like someone I probably don't either.



Former utility worker. Had to enter other peoples' yards a lot.

Also ex-cop.
 
Former utility worker. Had to enter other peoples' yards a lot.

Also ex-cop.

Thanks for not taking offense. I meant none.
 
Thanks for not taking offense. I meant none.


Most people encounter a handful of OPDs (Other Peoples Dogs) in a year; I used to encounter two or three dozen a day. Unusual circumstances. Most I made friends with easily. A few not so much.
 
How exactly would the world be effected in a significantly negative way if pit bulls were banned?

They are no longer part of the food chain - they are nothing more then subservient quadrupeds - so no effect there.

They can easily be replaced by other dogs as pets or for other quadruped duties.

So no negative effect of any noticeable significance.


I say neuter them all (along with ALL 'pets' that can easily kill a child and have done so in numerous instances in the recent past) and stop the species from reproducing and simply wait until they expire OR send them to countries that actually want them.

If you have one - fine, keep it. But only with a signature on an agreement with your local law enforcement detachment that you take full and complete legal and financial responsibility for any injuries/deaths that your pet causes PLUS with your assurance that your animal can no longer reproduce.


These 'pets' have killed far too many children...they are not worth it to the human race, imo.

To weigh owning a pet or having children killed by said pet is not even worth a discussion.

If these dogs are killing children (they are) AND they are not necessary for humanity (they are not) then get rid of them.
 
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I could say that for 100s of things, that's not a legit reason try again.

Name hundreds of things that are unpredictable yet preventable and that are semi-analogous to pits...
 
I don't know you and I'm not trying to cast aspersions. If you have been attacked by dogs many time you are either a postman who walks a rout or doing something wrong. Dogs are very instinctive. If my dog doesn't like someone I probably don't either.

That is ridiculous. Dogs sense a person's mood. You are a person and should take in the person's character.

Dogs love me. Always have... at least until my divorce when I started walking the beach thinking things out... in a generally bad mood and all of a sudden I am being attacked or threatened by dogs left and right over the summer. Total bull**** too... just walking along minding my own business. I think you need to rethink your statement because it leaves a lot out of the equation.
 
I agree with the OP in that many of the problems associated with pitbulls would not occur if not for behavior of their owners. As someone who generally supports the idea of animal rights within reasonable limits, I oppose banning pitbulls or any dog breed for that matter, and would instead support stronger legal punishment for animal cruelty and mistreatment of animals in order to reduce occurrences of attacks in the first place.
 
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