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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Bad owner and bad person aren't the same thing. I think that's what you are resisting.
    The problem I have with the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" thesis is most owners ARE "bad" with their dogs, at least in my experience. They don't train them, walk them infrequently, ignore them, don't have the first clue how to establish dominance, or when they fail how to remedy it, etc. So the "bad owners" are more or less normal people and normal owners who are otherwise likely responsible people.

    And the problem with pit bulls and the like is they require much more skill and consistent effort than most dogs, and if the owner fails (as most do), their failure with dangerous breeds put me and my dogs at serious risk of death or injury.

    So IMO it's entirely appropriate for a community to 1) limit ownership of some breeds (license them or otherwise require some evidence prospective owners are capable of handling them) or 2) alternatively to ban them as pets. Responsible breeders would ALWAYS do the first step, and I don't see why a community's standards should be less than a responsible breeder.

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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The problem I have with the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" thesis is most owners ARE "bad" with their dogs, at least in my experience. They don't train them, walk them infrequently, ignore them, don't have the first clue how to establish dominance, or when they fail how to remedy it, etc. So the "bad owners" are more or less normal people and normal owners who are otherwise likely responsible people.

    And the problem with pit bulls and the like is they require much more skill and consistent effort than most dogs, and if the owner fails (as most do), their failure with dangerous breeds put me and my dogs at serious risk of death or injury.

    So IMO it's entirely appropriate for a community to 1) limit ownership of some breeds (license them or otherwise require some evidence prospective owners are capable of handling them) or 2) alternatively to ban them as pets. Responsible breeders would ALWAYS do the first step, and I don't see why a community's standards should be less than a responsible breeder.
    At least where I live, pits are banned in a lot of areas. Apartments and many hoa's ban them often
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The problem I have with the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" thesis is most owners ARE "bad" with their dogs, at least in my experience. They don't train them, walk them infrequently, ignore them, don't have the first clue how to establish dominance, or when they fail how to remedy it, etc. So the "bad owners" are more or less normal people and normal owners who are otherwise likely responsible people.

    And the problem with pit bulls and the like is they require much more skill and consistent effort than most dogs, and if the owner fails (as most do), their failure with dangerous breeds put me and my dogs at serious risk of death or injury.

    So IMO it's entirely appropriate for a community to 1) limit ownership of some breeds (license them or otherwise require some evidence prospective owners are capable of handling them) or 2) alternatively to ban them as pets. Responsible breeders would ALWAYS do the first step, and I don't see why a community's standards should be less than a responsible breeder.
    Your first paragraph is what I've been saying to Goshin.

    The second paragraph...see above.

    The third paragraph...1) agree and 2) disagree.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Your first paragraph is what I've been saying to Goshin.

    The second paragraph...see above.

    The third paragraph...1) agree and 2) disagree.
    You disagree with communities banning them?
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You disagree with communities banning them?
    I don't have any opinion on what communities do. That's up to them.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The death and destruction they have caused. Not so much their fault, but it happens never the less.
    I could say that for 100s of things, that's not a legit reason try again.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Banned from what?

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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    If I were renting out a property, I would also prefer people not living there who own fight type dogs or if I have the feeling they are responsible dog owners they could but it should be no more than 1 adult dog for any big dog breed or fighting dog breed.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I disagree. If a dog lunges at me in an apparent attempt to bite, he attacked me... whether the bite was successfully completed or not. Many dogs have attacked me; few have succeeded in biting me. But in any case I am sorry if there was confusion, thus my explanation that I was referring to what I perceived as "attempts to attack".










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    "Bad owner" sounds a lot like "bad person", which is perhaps why this assertion runs into resistance. "Owner who is in over her head and doesn't realize it" would be cumbersome but more accurate and less accusatory.

    And it is also more or less what I've been saying in the thread, or attempting to say: I don't advocate banning pit bulls as a breed, but I wish everyone was more fully aware of the potential dangers and realized that owning a pit bull is not for everyone, and you shouldn't own a dog if you're not sure you can manage him safely.

    When it comes to Pitts, I am inclined by my experiences to err on the side of "don't".
    I don't know you and I'm not trying to cast aspersions. If you have been attacked by dogs many time you are either a postman who walks a rout or doing something wrong. Dogs are very instinctive. If my dog doesn't like someone I probably don't either.
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    Re: Should pit bulls be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I don't know you and I'm not trying to cast aspersions. If you have been attacked by dogs many time you are either a postman who walks a rout or doing something wrong. Dogs are very instinctive. If my dog doesn't like someone I probably don't either.


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