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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Why? You don't think that some of Huckabee's or Santorum's or Graham's views on religion and religion in government(them being very much FOR it) will torpedo their campaigns? Or their far right views on social issues?
    I don't think any of those are his actual opponents.

    As for being conservative being a problem - again, no it isn't, any more than being liberal is/was a problem for Obama. The US populace is splitting, and the way you win now is by exciting your base without scaring off the middle, rather than winning the middle without losing your base.

    Jeb and Pataki are the moderates in the GOP field right now. And in spite what the Limbaugh's and Fox says the GOP establishment isn't stupid, they KNOW to win the White House their candidate needs to move to the center during the general election, and Jeb is the only one who can do that.

    Richard Nixon once said: For a Republican to win the presidency he had to: "Run hard to the right in the primaries; steer back to the center for the general election."
    And for the time he was correct. Now he would be wrong



    Being a moderate / centrist didn't work for Romney, it didn't work for McCain, and it won't work for Jeb.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    again, no it isn't, any more than being liberal is/was a problem for Obama.
    Obama is NOT liberal. He's pretty middle of the road, hell on foreign policy he's probably to the right. I know nowadays it's a very popular conservative talking point to say Obama is a liberal, Muslim, socialist, communist.. But he's none of those

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    without scaring off the middle
    Yes, I agree. But IMO talking about religion, and them wanting more religion in the government, them attacking abortion, and nowadays the constant fight against gays(even polls show younger Republicans views have changed dramatically towards gays) is going to turn off, yes scare the middle. Most of the GOP candidates are still pandering to the older, white voters, their base. That's not the way to go anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    And for the time he was correct. Now he would be wrong..........Being a moderate / centrist didn't work for Romney, it didn't work for McCain, and it won't work for Jeb.
    Again Romney DID NOT move to the center. He showed no balls at all, he moved to the right during the primaries and but he stayed there during the General Election. He let the far right part of the GOP manipulate him. He was a moderate, but he NEVER moved to the center. Just look how he flip flopped during the GE, espeically on social issues. IMO I think Jeb will have a set of balls, he'll move to the center, he won't let the far right pushed him around. IMO that's a big plus for him.

    As for 2008 because of the economic collapse in August and September no Republican would have won in November. The voters were going to punish the party who was in the WH when the collapse happened, and that was the GOP.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Obama is NOT liberal. He's pretty middle of the road, hell on foreign policy he's probably to the right. I know nowadays it's a very popular conservative talking point to say Obama is a liberal, Muslim, socialist, communist.. But he's none of those
    Obama is indeed quite liberal, especially when you compare him to the leadership that he replaced in the Democrat Party, which was deliberately centrist in orientation. I have noticed that liberals sometimes tend to confuse "what he has been able to get accomplished" with "what he would like to have accomplished" when grading him ideologically.

    Yes, I agree. But IMO talking about religion, and them wanting more religion in the government, them attacking abortion, and nowadays the constant fight against gays(even polls show younger Republicans views have changed dramatically towards gays) is going to turn off, yes scare the middle. Most of the GOP candidates are still pandering to the older, white voters, their base. That's not the way to go anymore.
    Actually women and latino's are more likely to favor restricting abortion than whites and men As for the "wanting more religion in government", that's a lefty talking point that appeals perhaps to other liberals/atheists who share it as an assumption rather than an actual description of their position. I haven't seen Rubio or Walker advocate for "more religion in government", but I'm betting you are using social conservatism as a proxy.

    Again Romney DID NOT move to the center. He showed no balls at all, he moved to the right during the primaries and but he stayed there during the General Election. He let the far right part of the GOP manipulate him. He was a moderate, but he NEVER moved to the center. Just look how he flip flopped during the GE, espeically on social issues. IMO I think Jeb will have a set of balls, he'll move to the center, he won't let the far right pushed him around. IMO that's a big plus for him.
    sure, and his flops were part of the major reason why conservatives didn't really turn out for him. We knew he was a moderate. For that reason we will also not turn out for Jeb.

    As for 2008 because of the economic collapse in August and September no Republican would have won in November. The voters were going to punish the party who was in the WH when the collapse happened, and that was the GOP.
    That's very likely as well.
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    Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Obama is indeed quite liberal, especially when you compare him to the leadership that he replaced in the Democrat Party, which was deliberately centrist in orientation. I have noticed that liberals sometimes tend to confuse "what he has been able to get accomplished" with "what he would like to have accomplished" when grading him ideologically.



    Actually women and latino's are more likely to favor restricting abortion than whites and men As for the "wanting more religion in government", that's a lefty talking point that appeals perhaps to other liberals/atheists who share it as an assumption rather than an actual description of their position. I haven't seen Rubio or Walker advocate for "more religion in government", but I'm betting you are using social conservatism as a proxy.



    sure, and his flops were part of the major reason why conservatives didn't really turn out for him. We knew he was a moderate. For that reason we will also not turn out for Jeb.



    That's very likely as well.
    Liberals have a problem with accepting Obama as a liberal. They then falsely accuse him of being a centrist. Of course, if they actually talked to centrist Democrats or Republicans they would quickly discover that there is a wide gulf between them and Obama. On the Dem side We are in orientation with Joe Lieberman, Heitkamp, Manchin, John Diulio, and so on. Our starting points are significantly different. We also have few qualms with working with the other Party as staffers. We may even prefer it. Obama Democrats tend to not have that as an ideological starting point.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Obama's not a liberal. Anyway the clown car continues. And please can someone tell these guys that OBAMA is NOT running in 2016. That's all any of these guys got. Criticize Obama. BTW Rick the glasses don't make you smarter.

    Rick Perry, Shrugging Off 2012, Announces He Will Run Again for President
    By MANNY FERNANDEZJUNE 4, 2015

    ADDISON, Tex. — Rick Perry, the former Texas governor whose 2012 campaign for the White House turned into a political disaster that humbled and weakened the most powerful Republican in the state, announced Thursday that he will run for president again in 2016.

    Mr. Perry is the latest candidate to officially enter a crowded field of Republican presidential contenders, declared and undeclared, several of whom have Texas ties and have overshadowed him in recent months, including Senator Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush, the brother of former President George W. Bush, Mr. Perry’s predecessor in the governor’s mansion.

    “We will make it through the Obama years,” he told a cheering crowd at a small municipal airport here in Addison, a northern suburb of downtown Dallas. Saying “It’s time,” he declared, ”I am running for the presidency of the United States of America.”

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Obama's not a liberal. Anyway the clown car continues. And please can someone tell these guys that OBAMA is NOT running in 2016. That's all any of these guys got. Criticize Obama. BTW Rick the glasses don't make you smarter.

    Rick Perry, Shrugging Off 2012, Announces He Will Run Again for President
    By MANNY FERNANDEZJUNE 4, 2015

    ADDISON, Tex. — Rick Perry, the former Texas governor whose 2012 campaign for the White House turned into a political disaster that humbled and weakened the most powerful Republican in the state, announced Thursday that he will run for president again in 2016.

    Mr. Perry is the latest candidate to officially enter a crowded field of Republican presidential contenders, declared and undeclared, several of whom have Texas ties and have overshadowed him in recent months, including Senator Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush, the brother of former President George W. Bush, Mr. Perry’s predecessor in the governor’s mansion.

    “We will make it through the Obama years,” he told a cheering crowd at a small municipal airport here in Addison, a northern suburb of downtown Dallas. Saying “It’s time,” he declared, ”I am running for the presidency of the United States of America.”

    cont..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/us...T.nav=top-news
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Alright Obama isn't a liberal. Fine. Then don't call him a centrist or a moderate. He's not one of us.
    One of Us? You're label says you're a Neoconservative? I wouldn't call him that either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    One of Us? You're label says you're a Neoconservative? I wouldn't call him that either.
    Neoconservatives were/are a moderate/centrist string of Democrats and Republicans.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Neoconservatives were/are a moderate/centrist string of Democrats and Republicans.
    NeoCons are moderate? John Bolton is a moderate?

    We're going to have to disagree about that.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Rand Paul is a disgrace to his fathers political legacy in my opinion. He is nothing but an ultra conservative with a streak of libertarianism. I will give him credit though, I really appreciated his leadership when it came to the Patriot Act. I just wish his fellow Senators would have listened more regarding the USA Freedom Act.
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