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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    So far Sanders has my attention and interest. I like what I have seen in the past and what I am seeing now. It's refreshing. I'd love to see him push Hillary off the radar.
    I'm with you in this.

    I'm not at all thrilled with Scy. Clinton, but the only worse scenario I could see, would be voting GOP.

    I like Sen. Warren's push for financial fairness & opportunity, but besides that single dimension (and it's a very good one!), I don't see much else - though I suspect that could change if she were to campaign for office.

    But now Sen. Sanders - he is really showing some spunk! And the more I see, the more I like. And, I believe he would likely work on financial reform as well as Sen. Warren. I'm most impressed not just width his breadth, but his depth; he's been at this, seemingly unchanged, since the early '70's. And when he gets into office, he continues to champion his electioneering causes! And executes them well!

    He gets my vote hands-down in the primary, and obviously all-the-way if he makes it to the Presidential.

    Otherwise, I'll begrudgingly vote for Secy. Clinton based primarily on her dedication to national healthcare. But it will be a vote of GOP opposition, not one of HRC support.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I like his name. Jeb. Has a good American ring to it.
    Fair enough south of the Mason-Dixon - but up here something like 'Joe' (or 'Jim' or 'Jack') flies a lot better.

    Jeb still has that 'Clampett' thing going on to some of us Northerners ... (probably because he's the only 'Jeb' we've known)
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I would agree CPW. Randal Paul. Wouldn't be one that would unify. Moreover he isn't up on much, where the Big Boys play.

    But he would be better than any Demos getting control of the Presidency again.
    Exactly. I have to grit my teeth when I hear people say that if so-and-so is not the candidate or if so-and-so is the candidate I won't vote or I'll vote Democrat or whatever. At some point Americans have to put the country ahead of ideology, and need to stop putting their sacred cows ahead of the greater good. It is important to elect the person most closely aligned with the right values, the strength of his or her convictions, and a willingness to accomplish the greater good. And for those of us who think less government and more liberty will always accomplish the greater good, that means no Democrat currently in the running should be elected since all see more government and more federal spending as the solution to everything.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Fair enough south of the Mason-Dixon - but up here something like 'Joe' (or 'Jim' or 'Jack') flies a lot better.

    Jeb still has that 'Clampett' thing going on to some of us Northerners ... (probably because he's the only 'Jeb' we've known)
    I live in Texas and I've never met anyone named Jeb. Still like it though.

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Exactly. I have to grit my teeth when I hear people say that if so-and-so is not the candidate or if so-and-so is the candidate I won't vote or I'll vote Democrat or whatever. At some point Americans have to put the country ahead of ideology, and need to stop putting their sacred cows ahead of the greater good. It is important to elect the person most closely aligned with the right values, the strength of his or her convictions, and a willingness to accomplish the greater good. And for those of us who think less government and more liberty will always accomplish the greater good, that means no Democrat currently in the running should be elected since all see more government and more federal spending as the solution to everything.

    Heya AO. If anything this last presidency has taught those on the Right.....this time, come out and vote. Don't stay home talking about The Repub Nominee doesn't reflect all of the parties values.

    Look what happened.....now its going to take someone from the Right their entire first term to clean up BO peep and the Demos mess.

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Exactly. I have to grit my teeth when I hear people say that if so-and-so is not the candidate or if so-and-so is the candidate I won't vote or I'll vote Democrat or whatever. At some point Americans have to put the country ahead of ideology, and need to stop putting their sacred cows ahead of the greater good.
    That doesn't sound like something we'd do. The parties love the polarization, the more they polarize the easier they can ensure Repbulocrat dominance.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I'm with you in this.

    I'm not at all thrilled with Scy. Clinton, but the only worse scenario I could see, would be voting GOP.

    I like Sen. Warren's push for financial fairness & opportunity, but besides that single dimension (and it's a very good one!), I don't see much else - though I suspect that could change if she were to campaign for office.

    But now Sen. Sanders - he is really showing some spunk! And the more I see, the more I like. And, I believe he would likely work on financial reform as well as Sen. Warren. I'm most impressed not just width his breadth, but his depth; he's been at this, seemingly unchanged, since the early '70's. And when he gets into office, he continues to champion his electioneering causes! And executes them well!

    He gets my vote hands-down in the primary, and obviously all-the-way if he makes it to the Presidential.

    Otherwise, I'll begrudgingly vote for Secy. Clinton based primarily on her dedication to national healthcare. But it will be a vote of GOP opposition, not one of HRC support.
    Bernie is exciting. Yesterday he said that he'd like GOP and Democratic candidates to debate now! I love that. Sanders contents that such a debate would force all. Candidates to focus on the real issues so that Americans could have a better understanding of the candidates' actual positions instead of the platitudinous drivel we are likely to hear. That's a hell of an idea. One that probably all other candidates would hate to have happen, including Hillary. Who would benefit? All Americans would. That's why no other candidate is going to jump on that idea.

    Sanders also said that as president he in interviewing Supreme Court candidates he will only consider those who promise him that they will vote to overturn Citizens United if given the opportunity. Hell, yes! A candidate with balls.

    I won't vote for Hillary, no matter what. She a Big Money player, prone to call for military action, and as dishonest as the day is long. Hopefully it won't be a choice. Go Bernie!










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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That doesn't sound like something we'd do. The parties love the polarization, the more they polarize the easier they can ensure Repbulocrat dominance.
    Yep. Someone mentioned earlier that there's more and more Independents but the media doesn't give the Independents a mention or air time. The reason is what you said, it's better for ratings when they report about the polarization. The moderates and Indy's just go about their business everyday, no drama, no screaming. The Dems and the GOP fights and insults sells. It's the political version of a reality show. The media knows this, as do the GOP and the Dems. Keep us at each others throats, it keeps the 24/7 news channels going and keeps the GOP and Dem dominance alive and well.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Yep. Someone mentioned earlier that there's more and more Independents but the media doesn't give the Independents a mention or air time. The reason is what you said, it's better for ratings when they report about the polarization. The moderates and Indy's just go about their business everyday, no drama, no screaming. The Dems and the GOP fights and insults sells. It's the political version of a reality show. The media knows this, as do the GOP and the Dems. Keep us at each others throats, it keeps the 24/7 news channels going and keeps the GOP and Dem dominance alive and well.
    Yeah, Ross Perot put an end to that. That crazy bastard got so much of the popular vote, it scared the Republocrats. If a crazy guy could get over 10% the popular vote, what would happen if they included other candidates from other parties that weren't quite as crazy? So the League of Women Voters lost control over the Presidential Debates, they made campaign finance reform to help dissuade political competition, the press stopped talking about anything other than Republocrats, and we have our nice little rigged puppet show where the R and the D polarize while saying and doing noting new.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya AO. If anything this last presidency has taught those on the Right.....this time, come out and vote. Don't stay home talking about The Repub Nominee doesn't reflect all of the parties values.

    Look what happened.....now its going to take someone from the Right their entire first term to clean up BO peep and the Demos mess.
    That is the problem. All Presidents have to clean up any messes left over from the previous administration and there is always a mess or two to clean up no matter who is or was President. The thing is, if he does a good job of that, he looks good. Even though he had some rocky economic times, Reagan looked really good in comparison to Carter because he was able to improve on Carter's far more disastrous economy. A really good presidency is a tough act to follow because the next president may or may not have as fortunate a situation as his predecessor.

    George W. Bush for instance had to follow Bill Clinton who was a competent administrator and who had one of the best congresses to work with, at least in my lifetime. Clinton also had no major crises to deal with except for the dot.com bubble burst. And because there was a forward looking Congress in place at that time and because Clinton didn't resist them all that much, we recovered from that crisis fairly quickly--though the Nasdaq has yet to reach its former heights. Bush, in comparison, had the old guard GOP back in power for his first six years and the most left leaning Democratic congress ever in power the last two years plus he had to contend with 9/11, Katrina, and the housing bubble burst. He could have been the best President in the world--which he wasn't--and he wouldn't have looked good in comparison to Clinton, at least to those who don't look below the surface for their facts.

    Obama had the best of all scenarios--inherited a miserable economy and all manner of crises when he took office, and had he been competent to deal with it, he could have really shone and been the hero. But alas, not being up the job, he simply has mostly bungled that opportunity. The more the pity.

    Whoever takes over in 2017 has a golden opportunity to shine. Let's try to elect somebody who can capitalize on that opportunity in a way that is for the greater good of us all.
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