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Thread: Rand Paul as President in 2016

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Maybe if you leaned left or right you would have much better information about how somebody in the GOP gets nominated?
    Maybe. In truth I try to avoid voting for anyone in Corpgov. All of whom are owned by Big Money, domestic and foreign.










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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Maybe. In truth I try to avoid voting for anyone in Corpgov. All of whom are owned by Big Money, domestic and foreign.
    Are you leaning toward Sanders? I am curious how others view him. He is an interesting candidate and I am hoping he curbs the Clinton machine by a substantial margin. That is, if we don't want to see any more elitists in the WH.

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Maybe. In truth I try to avoid voting for anyone in Corpgov. All of whom are owned by Big Money, domestic and foreign.
    Gee, that doesn't leave many to vote for since they all take those kinds of contributions for their campaigns and leadership pacs. Nobody gets elected President without it.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Are you leaning toward Sanders? I am curious how others view him. He is an interesting candidate and I am hoping he curbs the Clinton machine by a substantial margin. That is, if we don't want to see any more elitists in the WH.
    So far Sanders has my attention and interest. I like what I have seen in the past and what I am seeing now. It's refreshing. I'd love to see him push Hillary off the radar.










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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Gee, that doesn't leave many to vote for since they all take those kinds of contributions for their campaigns and leadership pacs. Nobody gets elected President without it.

    No it doesn't leave many at all. Campaign reform is what we need. Serious campaign reform. It won't happen because most Americans are not that politically aware and are so uninvolved in their own governance that it is almost treasonous. Most Americans are apparently happy with the oligarchy and they will continue voting along party lines because it's much easier for them.










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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    No it doesn't leave many at all. Campaign reform is what we need. Serious campaign reform. It won't happen because most Americans are not that politically aware and are so uninvolved in their own governance that it is almost treasonous. Most Americans are apparently happy with the oligarchy and they will continue voting along party lines because it's much easier for them.
    Campaign reform isn't going to happen. They'll pretend it is happening but they'll always leave the loopholes that allow them to continue to increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth at our expense.

    What has to happen is to bust the federal government back to close to its constitutional roots and not give those in the federal government any ability to extort or bribe all that money from corporate America. Corporate America won't pay it if they are not allowed to benefit from it. And when they can no longer use the government in self-serving ways, we will again elect true public servants to serve instead of the professional permanent political class that controls all the power in government now.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    I'd love to see Rand Paul elected president. Sadly he won't ever get the blue blood North Eastern Banker crowds money nor will he ever get the Jewish Neo Con factions money which means essentially they'll prevent him financially from making any real progress. That said, I think the future of America politically belongs to charismatic (which Paul is not) Libertarians who will in the future appeal to far more people than both GOP or DNC.

    To be frank both the GOP Houston oil and other mineralist oligarchs and blue blood North Eastern finance oligarchs that run the GOP and the West Coast Tech oligarchs and North East Jewish finance oligarchs that run the DNC both viscerally disgust me to no end and I think they should all be tried as the criminal societal suppressor authoritarians they truly are.

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Yeah he's not making any friends in the MIC and because the MIC hawks who want 1 war after another control the GOP he's not making any friends in the GOP either. Which means he has no chance.

    Rand Paul blames Republican hawks for rise of ISIS
    By STEVE PEOPLES Associated Press
    First Published 50 minutes ago • Updated 48 minutes ago

    Washington • Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul is blaming his own party for the rise of the Islamic State group.

    The freshman senator from Kentucky said Wednesday that the GOP's foreign policy hawks "created these people." That assertion led potential 2016 rival Bobby Jindal, Louisiana's governor, to say Paul was unqualified to be president.

    The Islamic State group, commonly referred to as ISIS, has seized one-third of Iraq and Syria and in recent days made gains in central Iraq.

    "ISIS exists and grew stronger because of the hawks in our party who gave arms indiscriminately," Paul said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." He continued: "They created these people. ISIS is all over Libya because these same hawks in my party loved — they loved Hillary Clinton's war in Libya. They just wanted more of it."

    Foreign policy has emerged as a central debate in the 2016 Republican presidential primary.

    Many of Paul's Republican colleagues have offered aggressive rhetoric, but few specifics when asked about IS.

    Paul favors less military intervention abroad, wants a dramatic reduction in U.S. money to foreign governments and stands in opposition to the Patriot Act and the U.S. policy behind drone strikes. It all makes him something of an outlier on foreign policy and national security in the GOP field.

    He stood apart from many in his party in opposing U.S. military action in Syria before the ascension of the Islamic State.

    Sensitive to being branded an isolationist in the race, he has scaled back some of his positions, no longer calling for deep cuts in the Pentagon budget, for example, and no longer proposing the elimination of foreign aid, including to Israel.

    On the Islamic State, he wants coalitions of Arab troops — instead of U.S. troops — to take the lead on the ground.

    Paul's comments also underscore the challenge for former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, whose brother launched the invasion of Iraq more than a decade ago.

    Jeb Bush faced pointed questions recently from a college student in Nevada who said former President George W. Bush "created ISIS."

    The younger Bush does not blame his brother, but instead accuses the Obama administration of creating a void by withdrawing American forces, creating a vacuum in Iraq that was ultimately filled by the Islamic State group.

    Jindal described Paul's comments as "a perfect example of why Senator Paul is unsuited to be commander in chief."

    "We have men and women in the military who are in the field trying to fight ISIS right now, and Senator Paul is taking the weakest, most liberal Democrat position," Jindal said. "We should all be clear that evil and radical Islam are at fault for the rise of ISIS, and people like President Obama and Hillary Clinton exacerbate it."

    In his interview earlier, Paul described Iraq as "a failed state" and criticized Republicans who condemn his foreign policy as weak.

    "Everything that they have talked about in foreign policy, they have been wrong about for 20 years, and yet they have somehow the gall to keep saying and pointing fingers otherwise," Paul said.


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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Rand Paul is much better than Jeb Bush.

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by ConsvLiberal View Post
    I think he is a really good alternative to Jeb Bush who is not a really good Republican. Should Rand Paul be the candidate for the Republicans in 2016?
    I would vote for Rand Paul,Ted Cruz or Scott Walker.Anyone else and I am leaving that part of the ballot blank or I might be tempted to vote for a democrat.My state does not allow write in candidates and it screws 3rd parties, so a third party candidate is out of the question for me.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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