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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    NeoCons are moderate? John Bolton is a moderate?

    We're going to have to disagree about that.
    John Bolton isn't a neoconservative, but rather an ally of foreign policy neoconservatives.

    Become more familiar with the history of neoconservatism, especially in terms of domestic policy. It's a centrist orientation and has been since 1965.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    John Bolton isn't a neoconservative, but rather an ally of foreign policy neoconservatives.

    Become more familiar with the history of neoconservatism, especially in terms of domestic policy. It's a centrist orientation and has been since 1965.
    Bolton's not a neocon huh? I guess you can label anyone anything then. On this site alone every day a dozen conservatives will label Obama a communist appeaser, which would put him far to the left.. And another dozen conservatives will call him a him a fascist dictator, which will put him firmly on the right. Call Bolton whatever you want, be my guest.

    Anyway there is NOTHING moderate about neocon foreign policy.. Even their economic policy is pretty far right.

    But that's another topic for another thread.
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    Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Bolton's not a neocon huh? I guess you can label anyone anything then. On this site alone every day a dozen conservatives will label Obama a communist appeaser, which would put him far to the left.. And another dozen conservatives will call him a him a fascist dictator, which will put him firmly on the right. Call Bolton whatever you want, be my guest.

    Anyway there is NOTHING moderate about neocon foreign policy.. Even their economic policy is pretty far right.

    But that's another topic for another thread.
    I don't label Obama a socialist, but I don't label him a moderate. He's a comfortable liberal, but what many liberals are wanting right now is a return to McGovernism, which was the Democratic Party's liberal apex. In this sense, liberals have started to label McGovernism as the starting point for liberalism and everyone not in that circle is a centrist. By defining liberalism down, liberals have now started to make a democratic socialist like Sanders an honorary liberal or progressive. The Party is wanting to move Left like the Tea Party moved the Republic Party Right (if you accept the belief that the Tea Party are "far right"-I just call them populists).

    Neoconservative foreign policy varied by generations. First it was the more realist strand mixed with hawkishness and the flair for human rights plank before Carter. Then it turned into hawkishness, democratic nation building, and human rights plank. I'm not among the latter, and find myself more aligned with Kissinger than either the earlier Scoop Jackson neocons or the Neo-Reaganite neocons you know today.

    Neoconservative domestic policy is still quite moderate. But that's okay. I don't exactly expect you to think so, because you haven't exactly weighed a Ted Cruz, a Rand Paul, or even a Walker against the proposals they have tended to have.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    John Bolton isn't a neoconservative, but rather an ally of foreign policy neoconservatives.

    Become more familiar with the history of neoconservatism, especially in terms of domestic policy. It's a centrist orientation and has been since 1965.
    Hey! Stop stealing my posts!

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius
    Anyway there is NOTHING moderate about neocon foreign policy.. Even their economic policy is pretty far right.

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hey! Stop stealing my posts!



    I was DP's Neoconservative Anorak way before it was cool :P

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    What a result,incredible.

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Update on Randal Paul. Seems things just aren't going so well for him. Like I had mention a couple weeks ago. He isn't even pulling his fathers people.



    Rand Paul's Struggling Presidential Campaign.....

    If anyone ought to be well positioned in the current, fractured Republican field, it’s Rand Paul. The Kentucky senator’s libertarian stances make him stand out from the pack, and his supporters were supposed to give him a solid base that he could expand by appealing to more traditional Republicans. But instead, Paul seems to be flailing, and fighting for space in the crowded GOP landscape. He’s tied for fourth place in the average of national polls, fifth in Iowa, third in New Hampshire. His fundraising isn’t going well—he’s even been frozen out by the top donor to his father, the former Texas congressman Ron Paul. He’s struggling to earn the backing of his father’s rank and file supporters, as well. And while Rand Paul’s recent maneuvers in the Senate succeeded in derailing renewal of the Patriot Act, they also served to highlight the unpopularity of his national-security positions within his party—and the stunt got far less buzz than the 2013 filibuster that made him a hero to many conservatives.

    Inside and around the campaign, there is a sense that things are not going as well as hoped for Paul, multiple sources told me. “They are in a challenging spot right now,” said one Republican operative with knowledge of the campaign. “They are having a hard time reaching out to new constituencies while keeping the base happy.” The problem, the operative said, is that Paul’s flip-flopping and triangulation have damaged his reputation for ideological purity. “Senator Paul appears, in the minds of Republicans, to have gone from a guy who was standing on principle, who wanted to do things, to a politician who wants to be something,” the operative said.

    A different GOP strategist put it more succinctly to National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar, calling the Paul campaign “a disaster.”.....snip~

    Rand Paul's Struggling Presidential Campaign

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    I think he'll find it even more difficult in today's climate to get any traction since he's doesn't blindly toe the party line.

    Is it a "disaster?" How many people are polling under him, because there are many candidates. Do they call those doing worse a "disaster"? I think even more because he won't toe the line, that his party and mainstream media are more willing to go after him and to paint him as a candidate without a chance. They have to, because if by some ridiculous miracle of sorts, he got the nomination; it wouldn't be good for the GOP. They'd have a candidate they couldn't control. That's not good for party power.
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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think he'll find it even more difficult in today's climate to get any traction since he's doesn't blindly toe the party line.

    Is it a "disaster?" How many people are polling under him, because there are many candidates. Do they call those doing worse a "disaster"? I think even more because he won't toe the line, that his party and mainstream media are more willing to go after him and to paint him as a candidate without a chance. They have to, because if by some ridiculous miracle of sorts, he got the nomination; it wouldn't be good for the GOP. They'd have a candidate they couldn't control. That's not good for party power.
    National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar, calling the Paul campaign “a disaster.”.....snip~


    Oh, kind of like how things are now with BO Peep, huh?

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    Re: Rand Paul as President in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar, calling the Paul campaign “a disaster.”.....snip~


    Oh, kind of like how things are now with BO Peep, huh?
    BO is completely controllable, he's doing everything the Status Quo Republocrats love.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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