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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you got a video?Is that a no?
    A video of what?

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    Since you did not answer I have to assume that no you did not read those bills and are relying on left wing pundits for your info as to what those bills contain.
    LOL. Ahh Republicans...

    Again, you can just look up what the bill says. When somebody lays out a conspiracy theory about what a bill says, you shouldn't fall for it, you should actually read the bill. Understand?

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    A video of what?
    Of your claim.


    LOL. Ahh Republicans...

    Again, you can just look up what the bill says. When somebody lays out a conspiracy theory about what a bill says, you shouldn't fall for it, you should actually read the bill. Understand?
    Did you read the thousands of pages in those bills and understood all the legalese that those bills are written in? Because I am not seeing a yes.
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Of your claim.
    You want a video of the bill being in the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Did you read the thousands of pages in those bills and understood all the legalese that those bills are written in? Because I am not seeing a yes.
    I mean, I'm a lawyer. Yes, I've read thousands of pages of bills and I understand the legalese. I've read the entire ACA and confirmed that all the ridiculous Republican conspiracy theories about what it said were false (obviously). I read relevant sections of a couple of the gun control bills that Republicans made up crazy conspiracy theories about. Again, of course, they were just made up nonsense... I mean, man, why would you buy into a conspiracy theory without even bothering to check it out first when it is so easy to check?

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Again silly, the bill was in the Senate, not the House. That was what her whole speech was about lol. Don't believe everything you hear on Fox. It's just pretend. Videos of 5 seconds of a 30 minute speech out of context and whatnot... Just look it up if you seriously didn't know better.
    Yeah, but she said "WE" she did not say the Senate has to pass it so we can see what's in it. She is not part of the Senate, so for her to say "WE" she surly is not referring to the Senate. Being she was Speaker of the House and saying "we" have to pass it, is a clear as can be.

    However I will say, as dumb as she is, she may have thought she was the speaker of the Senate. Or she forgot were the bill actually was. Who knows what goes on in that woman's head.
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Yeah, but she said "WE" she did not say the Senate has to pass it so we can see what's in it. She is not part of the Senate, so for her to say "WE" she surly is not referring to the Senate. Being she was Speaker of the House and saying "we" have to pass it, is a clear as can be.

    However I will say, as dumb as she is, she may have thought she was the speaker of the Senate. Or she forgot were the bill actually was. Who knows what goes on in that woman's head.
    It is kind of confusing wording to be sure. She meant "we" (the Democrats) need to pass it so that "we" (the House) can see what is in it. The bill was in the Senate, not the House, so it wouldn't make any sense otherwise. She explained it right away after Fox started running the clip out of context. And, if you just watch the whole speech, it is obvious that's what she is talking about. That's the whole point of the speech- she's urging the Senate Democrats to hurry up so the House Democrats can start working on it. The bill had been languishing in the Senate for many months at that point and she was getting frustrated with the delays.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    It is kind of confusing wording to be sure. She meant "we" (the Democrats) need to pass it so that "we" (the House) can see what is in it. The bill was in the Senate, not the House, so it wouldn't make any sense otherwise. She explained it right away after Fox started running the clip out of context. And, if you just watch the whole speech, it is obvious that's what she is talking about. That's the whole point of the speech- she's urging the Senate Democrats to hurry up so the House Democrats can start working on it. The bill had been languishing in the Senate for many months at that point and she was getting frustrated with the delays.
    First she should never have had to explain anything to anyone. Of course she had to retract her statement as she was dead wrong. She like you have to give cover for her gaff. People gaff all the time, accept it. She gaffed and had to try her best to cover it, hell Biden gaffs all the time and people just laugh. Pelosi has always had one ore out of the water.

    Please give it up and just accept she made a major gaff. One that will haunt her forever.
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    You want a video of the bill being in the Senate?
    I want a video of your claim that she was addressing the senate.No video confirms such a thing.

    I read relevant sections of a couple of the gun control bills that Republicans made up crazy conspiracy theories about. Again, of course, they were just made up nonsense...I mean, man, why would you buy into a conspiracy theory without even bothering to check it out first when it is so easy to check?
    When it comes to groups who have a history of infringing on the 2nd amendment I tend to seriously distrust them. They are not above lying their ass off.They will claim certain semiautomatic firearms are assault weapons and claim that certain standard capacity magazines are high capacity magazines in order to push a ban on those things. They will literally try to ban certain firearms while falsely claiming that no one is trying to take away your guns.They will falsely claim that you are paranoid for wanting a gun to protect yourself but yet they want severe restrictions or firearm bans anytime there is a mass shooting. So if a pro-2nd amendment group says a certain bill or treaty is dangerous to the 2nd amendment I will believe them. When the same people who tend to hate the 2nd amendment are proposing a treaty that has something to do with firearms I have no reason to believe them when they say it won't infringe on the 2nd amendment. Considering your political leaning you may think that my 2nd amendment rights are not violated as long as I am allowed to only own a musket, have a couple permits, went through a couple of back ground checks, paid a hefty license fee and so on.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I want a video of your claim that she was addressing the senate.No video confirms such a thing.
    She wasn't addressing the Senate, she was talking about the Senate. I don't remember where she was speaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When it comes to groups who have a history of infringing on the 2nd amendment I tend to seriously distrust them. They are not above lying their ass off.They will claim certain semiautomatic firearms are assault weapons and claim that certain standard capacity magazines are high capacity magazines in order to push a ban on those things. They will literally try to ban certain firearms while falsely claiming that no one is trying to take away your guns.They will falsely claim that you are paranoid for wanting a gun to protect yourself but yet they want severe restrictions or firearm bans anytime there is a mass shooting. So if a pro-2nd amendment group says a certain bill or treaty is dangerous to the 2nd amendment I will believe them. When the same people who tend to hate the 2nd amendment are proposing a treaty that has something to do with firearms I have no reason to believe them when they say it won't infringe on the 2nd amendment. Considering your political leaning you may think that my 2nd amendment rights are not violated as long as I am allowed to only own a musket, have a couple permits, went through a couple of back ground checks, paid a hefty license fee and so on.
    Again, just buying into whatever conspiracy theory comes along because it matches your emotional state about distrusting somebody or whatever is idiotic. That's how you constantly get tricked. They can just make up whatever they want about groups you don't trust and you believe it... Quit being lazy. Just look it up. If Limbaugh tells you some bill says something obviously ridiculous, don't just believe him, google the bill and read it yourself. Do that the next 3 times your right wing sources make some claim about what a bill says. All three times they will turn out to have been lying. Then you won't need to check again by the fourth time.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    First she should never have had to explain anything to anyone. Of course she had to retract her statement as she was dead wrong. She like you have to give cover for her gaff. People gaff all the time, accept it. She gaffed and had to try her best to cover it, hell Biden gaffs all the time and people just laugh. Pelosi has always had one ore out of the water.

    Please give it up and just accept she made a major gaff. One that will haunt her forever.
    Oh, sure, it was a gaff. She doesn't deny that it was a gaff. She said it wrong, especially when taken out of context, and politicians should always be thinking about how every sentence sounds even out of context.

    But obviously she wasn't actually trying to say that they should vote to pass the bill without knowing what was in it, right? That wouldn't even make sense. It isn't even possible to vote on a bill in the House until they have copies of it printed out distributed to the members and it has been read aloud, in its entirety to the whole House, and then read aloud to the whole House a second time right before they vote... In fact, they had the printed bill and it was publicly released, for weeks before she scheduled a vote on it. And it wasn't even in the House at the time, it was in the Senate- where it was also all written out and publicly available. The issue was that the Senate had several versions floating around that they were considering and they wouldn't settle on one final one, so the House couldn't start working on it.

    So, yeah, if you want to say that she made a gaff and conclude that she is a sloppy speaker or whatever, that's totally reasonable. But to conclude that she was actually trying to get people to vote for a bill without reading it would just be silly.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Oh, sure, it was a gaff. She doesn't deny that it was a gaff. She said it wrong, especially when taken out of context, and politicians should always be thinking about how every sentence sounds even out of context.

    But obviously she wasn't actually trying to say that they should vote to pass the bill without knowing what was in it, right? That wouldn't even make sense. It isn't even possible to vote on a bill in the House until they have copies of it printed out distributed to the members and it has been read aloud, in its entirety to the whole House, and then read aloud to the whole House a second time right before they vote... In fact, they had the printed bill and it was publicly released, for weeks before she scheduled a vote on it. And it wasn't even in the House at the time, it was in the Senate- where it was also all written out and publicly available. The issue was that the Senate had several versions floating around that they were considering and they wouldn't settle on one final one, so the House couldn't start working on it.

    So, yeah, if you want to say that she made a gaff and conclude that she is a sloppy speaker or whatever, that's totally reasonable. But to conclude that she was actually trying to get people to vote for a bill without reading it would just be silly.
    I'll bet no one read the bill that voted for it. Maybe some aid did, but some obnoxious 2,500 page bill now way anyone in the house or senate read it. Hell Obama was telling lies about the bill all along until it was public that people were losing their DR and their insurance.
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