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Thread: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The general public is too stupid to know what exactly it is about so lets keep secret? Is that what it is about?
    It is pretty standard to keep things secret during negotiations. It will be public well before it gets voted on of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Neither can most of the people in congress and senate.If you remember correctly Nancy Pelosi said we got to pass it so that way we can find out what is in it.
    I assume you already know this, but you're aware that was a hoax, right? She was talking about the Senate needing to settle on a version and pass it so that the House could start working on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You know this how seeing how you just said basically just said most of the public is too stupid to understand the bill? Or are you believing whatever the pundits on the left are telling you?
    The public certainly doesn't have a good track record of understanding bills. The right in particular appears to be very easy to manipulate into believing that bills say even the exact opposite of what they say, susceptible to conspiracy theories about bills, etc.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    It is pretty standard to keep things secret during negotiations. It will be public well before it gets voted on of course.
    Lets use Obamacare, first all we knew about it is what Obama was preaching in all his public meetings / town halls. You know "you can keep your Dr and you can keep your insurance" lies.

    I assume you already know this, but you're aware that was a hoax, right? She was talking about the Senate needing to settle on a version and pass it so that the House could start working on it.
    A "hoax" if you believe that you will believe anything. She didn't know what the hell was in it nor did all the other liberals that voted for this failed bill. Notice the Republicans know what was in it and not one of the them voted for it. Even the Dems had to bribe some of their own to get the votes need to pass this failed bill.

    The public certainly doesn't have a good track record of understanding bills.
    How in the world could you when you have a president lying to you what's in it.

    The right in particular appears to be very easy to manipulate into believing that bills say even the exact opposite of what they say, susceptible to conspiracy theories about bills, etc.
    This is all mumbo jumbo. Obama goes around to all these town halls and tells lies and because he is a liberal you go and pat him on the back and say "good job"
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    It is pretty standard to keep things secret during negotiations.
    It should not be secret at all.It is the public's business what they are doing.
    It will be public well before it gets voted on of course.
    It should be public during the negotiation phase.

    I assume you already know this, but you're aware that was a hoax, right? She was talking about the Senate needing to settle on a version and pass it so that the House could start working on it.
    A hoax? She said we got to pass it in order to find out what is in it.That is not a hoax.

    The public certainly doesn't have a good track record of understanding bills. The right in particular appears to be very easy to manipulate into believing that bills say even the exact opposite of what they say, susceptible to conspiracy theories about bills, etc.
    You know this because you read 100% of the bill and Understood all the legalese in it without any bias? Or you think you know this because of what some leftist pundit said to you?
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    IMO, very few of the American public are qualified to approve/disapprove of any trade deal ..They simply have not the time nor the facilities .. nor the knowledge ..Congress, OTOH, does - its what they do .
    So If I were elected to Congress next year (Anyone can run for congress and get elected)... I would suddenly gain this extra-terrestrial knowledge through osmosis and become qualified?

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    A "hoax" if you believe that you will believe anything. She didn't know what the hell was in it nor did all the other liberals that voted for this failed bill. Notice the Republicans know what was in it and not one of the them voted for it. Even the Dems had to bribe some of their own to get the votes need to pass this failed bill.
    You don't need to "believe" anything, the bill was in the Senate, not the House. Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker of the House...

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    This is all mumbo jumbo. Obama goes around to all these town halls and tells lies and because he is a liberal you go and pat him on the back and say "good job"
    What are you talking about? You don't seem to have a position on any of this. You just seem to be sort of whining in general.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A hoax? She said we got to pass it in order to find out what is in it.That is not a hoax.
    Pay attention. Again: she was talking about the Senate needing to settle on a version and pass it so that the House could start working on it. The bill wasn't even in the House. It was in the Senate. You guys are so insanely gullible lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You know this because you read 100% of the bill and Understood all the legalese in it without any bias? Or you think you know this because of what some leftist pundit said to you?
    The conspiracy theories about what publicly released bills say are hands down the dumbest lol. You can just look them up. What kind of hillbillie do those ones work on lol? You're posting on an Internet forum. That means you have an Internet connection lol.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    You don't need to "believe" anything, the bill was in the Senate, not the House. Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker of the House...
    I have to tell you I love that word "was" not only for Pelosi but also Reid, I get that tingle up my leg.

    You don't seem to have a position on any of this.
    I have no idea what you are asking me to take a position on.
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Pay attention. Again: she was talking about the Senate needing to settle on a version and pass it so that the House could start working on it. The bill wasn't even in the House. It was in the Senate. You guys are so insanely gullible lol.
    I see nowhere where she mentioned the Senate. Do you?? You make up a theory to cover for Pelosi, sorry you must think we're gullible to believe such Bull. I would suggest you guys are insanely gullible to even think we would believe such crap.

    She said we got to pass it in order to find out what is in it
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I see nowhere where she mentioned the Senate. Do you?? You make up a theory to cover for Pelosi, sorry you must think we're gullible to believe such Bull. I would suggest you guys are insanely gullible to even think we would believe such crap.

    She said we got to pass it in order to find out what is in it
    Again silly, the bill was in the Senate, not the House. That was what her whole speech was about lol. Don't believe everything you hear on Fox. It's just pretend. Videos of 5 seconds of a 30 minute speech out of context and whatnot... Just look it up if you seriously didn't know better.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Pay attention. Again: she was talking about the Senate needing to settle on a version and pass it so that the House could start working on it. The bill wasn't even in the House. It was in the Senate. You guys are so insanely gullible lol.
    Do you got a video?Is that a no?


    The conspiracy theories about what publicly released bills say are hands down the dumbest lol. You can just look them up. What kind of hillbillie do those ones work on lol? You're posting on an Internet forum. That means you have an Internet connection lol.
    Since you did not answer I have to assume that no you did not read those bills and are relying on left wing pundits for your info as to what those bills contain.
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