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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    1. I said people are sick and tired liberal failure, that includes Hillery and whoever with a D

    2. Easy we won't have a county that looks like the 20 worst cities run by Democrats. Did you know the 10 poorest cities are run by democrats and the 10 most dangerous cities are run by democrats. At least you will know our country will not look like one of those cities that Obama has been trying to make this country into.
    You REALLY think there is a dimes difference between the GOP and Dems at the fed level?

    People will vote for whoever promises them the most stuff. Non presidential election cycles are always down cycles. We'll see.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    This isn't about Democrats or Republicans! It is about Big Business. Big Business wants this, they OWN both parties and Obama. Think about who will benefit. It won't be everyday Americans as jobs go overseas. Americans don't want it. Money from Big Business goes into the pockets of politicians and Anericans get ****ed, again.










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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    A corporation or any business for that matter is there to make a profit. Businesses fail, owners may lose everything they had, business do what is necessary to stay afloat. Call that survival instinct. Workers get fired in most cases as they are not needed or the company is forced to cut back do to economic reasons. Workers get fired for poor performance. This is all tied in to a company being successful and keeping workers paid and weeding out the non performers. A company that would carry a poor performing worker is making it harder for the company to survive and it's not fair to the other performing workers.
    yeah, yeah, i know the talking points. you might think you're a high performing worker with a secure job, but you could be fired at the whim of some asshole next week if you live in an at will state. it has happened to me. i got canned because my boss's boss's boss got promoted to emerging markets in China, and the dude who replaced him didn't know me. i had been given verbal assurances that my employment there would be made permanent, as i was an "independent contractor," another little scam that they like to pull to **** over workers. i was one of the first independent contractors to be promoted to important internal committees, and i would have been a loyal employee there long term. they ****ed up. but the asshole government here in my state made sure that i had absolutely no recourse. i don't buy into the "non-performing worker" bull**** anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    As for cities rotting. Do you know that the top 10 poorest cities in the US are run by Democrats and the top 10 dangerous cities are run by Democrats. Those titles are nothing to cheer about. There is no jobs in those 20 democrat run cites let alone someone getting laid off. Jobs equal prosperity and higher wages, always has. This last quarter our economy had a -.07 GDP meaning we are now going backwards.
    there is no real and viable pro-labor party here in the states. **** the duopoly.

    you know what, man? these people are your countrymen. **** teams. we need good, secure jobs, and letting a tiny percentage control most of the money and buy favorable policies while screwing over workers is not going to solve the problem. we need to send our kids to college without bankrupting them, and then to hire them to work more secure jobs with more upward mobility so that they don't spend their lives scraping by on public assistance. capitalism is sold as the system that can be the ladder for the largest number of people to have the greatest standard of living. i believe that. but something is definitely wrong right now. i'm working my way through an anti-worker job market that is HEAVILY weighted in favor of employers right now. i don't want my kids to have it worse.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Kind of like obamacare right?

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You REALLY think there is a dimes difference between the GOP and Dems at the fed level?

    People will vote for whoever promises them the most stuff. Non presidential election cycles are always down cycles. We'll see.
    You are right about that. It's all about free stuff, who gives the most free stuff gets the votes.
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yeah, yeah, i know the talking points. you might think you're a high performing worker with a secure job, but you could be fired at the whim of some asshole next week if you live in an at will state. it has happened to me. i got canned because my boss's boss's boss got promoted to emerging markets in China, and the dude who replaced him didn't know me. i had been given verbal assurances that my employment there would be made permanent, as i was an "independent contractor," another little scam that they like to pull to **** over workers. i was one of the first independent contractors to be promoted to important internal committees, and i would have been a loyal employee there long term. they ****ed up. but the asshole government here in my state made sure that i had absolutely no recourse. i don't buy into the "non-performing worker" bull**** anymore.



    there is no real and viable pro-labor party here in the states. **** the duopoly.

    you know what, man? these people are your countrymen. **** teams. we need good, secure jobs, and letting a tiny percentage control most of the money and buy favorable policies while screwing over workers is not going to solve the problem. we need to send our kids to college without bankrupting them, and then to hire them to work more secure jobs with more upward mobility so that they don't spend their lives scraping by on public assistance. capitalism is sold as the system that can be the ladder for the largest number of people to have the greatest standard of living. i believe that. but something is definitely wrong right now. i'm working my way through an anti-worker job market that is HEAVILY weighted in favor of employers right now. i don't want my kids to have it worse.
    In bold. Yes you are right, and who wold that be. Environmentalist who Obama pandered to to kill Keystone.

    And you are also correct. This is not a labor market. It never will be until JOBs increase and when that happens wages grow. Now what policies encourage growth, it sure is not Obama's policies nor is it the policies of the 10 poorest cities run by democrats, nor is it the 10 most dangerous cities run by democrats. One small example of non-growth Obama policy - kill Keystone. In spite of thousands of union paying jobs, in spite of permanent refining jobs and in spite of all the tax revenue to the states and the fed that is so desperately needed. Another example is killing the coal industry. These two policies ares a direct result of pandering to the environmentalist. And not giving one damn consideration to creating good jobs. Get a republican president and Keystone will get approed within the first month. That will be the first of many changes that get this country moving again.

    Then you chant free collage for everyone. No friggn way. That would be worse than any of the handout programs being the most abused, more fraud, students going to school for 20 yrs, people going to school to not get an education but to have a free lunch. K-12 is free, but there I believe in a voucher system that parents and students can choose the school of their choice based on performance. After the 12th grade get a yob and work part time and go to school if you desire. Further not everyone is collage bound, we have trades in this country that build the buildings we live and work in, bridges we drive over etc. etc. Then you have to have a trade school for every potential job a person could work at and that would have to be free as well.

    Remember we are in debt up to our ears and when Obama leaves we will be over 19 trillion and growing.

    People are tired of failed liberal polices and the wave of change is in motion.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    In bold. Yes you are right, and who wold that be. Environmentalist who Obama pandered to to kill Keystone.

    And you are also correct. This is not a labor market. It never will be until JOBs increase and when that happens wages grow. Now what policies encourage growth, it sure is not Obama's policies nor is it the policies of the 10 poorest cities run by democrats, nor is it the 10 most dangerous cities run by democrats. One small example of non-growth Obama policy - kill Keystone. In spite of thousands of union paying jobs, in spite of permanent refining jobs and in spite of all the tax revenue to the states and the fed that is so desperately needed. Another example is killing the coal industry. These two policies ares a direct result of pandering to the environmentalist. And not giving one damn consideration to creating good jobs. Get a republican president and Keystone will get approed within the first month. That will be the first of many changes that get this country moving again.
    democrats should have used keystone as a bargaining chip for something that actually helps the middle class. that was a stupid hill to die on. but i don't believe for a second that an electable republican or democratic president will do anything to help my work situation, nor will they enact policies that will make my working life easier so that i can do it myself. my best bet is probably to move away from my anti-labor state to a state in which my loyalty and hard work will be even slightly rewarded, or at least not be punished.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Then you chant free collage for everyone. No friggn way.
    i support debt free access to college for all students. i would agree to make it need based to a point, and to require completion of the degree. putting a significant paywall in front of post secondary education is stupid national policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    That would be worse than any of the handout programs being the most abused, more fraud, students going to school for 20 yrs, people going to school to not get an education but to have a free lunch. K-12 is free, but there I believe in a voucher system that parents and students can choose the school of their choice based on performance. After the 12th grade get a yob and work part time and go to school if you desire. Further not everyone is collage bound, we have trades in this country that build the buildings we live and work in, bridges we drive over etc. etc. Then you have to have a trade school for every potential job a person could work at and that would have to be free as well.
    see above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Remember we are in debt up to our ears and when Obama leaves we will be over 19 trillion and growing.
    we need to bring in more revenue and seriously reallocate our resources to address the debt. i would start by ending all of the wars and spending that money domestically. if the first world decides that it needs a military, it needs to build and fund one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    People are tired of failed liberal polices and the wave of change is in motion.

    Governors R=31 D=18

    House R=245 D=188

    Senate R=45 D=44
    go, team.

    i'm not interested in hyperpartisan bull****. i'm interested in brainstorming solutions to problems.

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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Do you know that the top 10 poorest cities in the US are run by Democrats and the top 10 dangerous cities are run by Democrats. Those titles are nothing to cheer about. There is no jobs in those 20 democrat run cites let alone someone getting laid off. Jobs equal prosperity and higher wages, always has. This last quarter our economy had a -.07 GDP meaning we are now going backwards.
    What a line!

    And Dems also control most of the top 10 richest cities!

    Why?

    Because Dems control most of the cities!

    That's like saying "Repubs control the top 10 poorest rural areas" - of course they do; most rural areas are Republican.

    How about, "97 of the nation's 100 poorest counties are in red states"! (it's true - check it out)

    Yeesh!

    We could play misleading games like this all night long ...
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    democrats should have used keystone as a bargaining chip for something that actually helps the middle class. that was a stupid hill to die on. but i don't believe for a second that an electable republican or democratic president will do anything to help my work situation, nor will they enact policies that will make my working life easier so that i can do it myself. my best bet is probably to move away from my anti-labor state to a state in which my loyalty and hard work will be even slightly rewarded, or at least not be punished.
    I will say it again. Jobs create prosperity and wage growth for everyone, including you. I have said, liberals don't care about jobs, never have never will.

    i support debt free access to college for all students. i would agree to make it need based to a point, and to require completion of the degree. putting a significant paywall in front of post secondary education is stupid national policy.
    It's just another abused program. How about starting with a voucher system to give students the choice of school based on performance.

    we need to bring in more revenue and seriously reallocate our resources to address the debt. i would start by ending all of the wars and spending that money domestically. if the first world decides that it needs a military, it needs to build and fund one.
    Ending all wars is not a choice, not that easy. War comes to us, did you forgot those people jumping to their death from the world trade center rather than burn to death. Remember Pearl Harbor and men beating on the hull of ships with no way out. If you want to blow that off. Fine but terrorist are growing more than ever and the 9-11's and the Pearl Harbors will be a common event. Do you want to live or die like that, I don't.

    go, team.
    Yeah now the Pubs are winning

    i'm not interested in hyperpartisan bull****. i'm interested in brainstorming solutions to problems.
    Me too, and my solution is "jobs" policies to create a pro growth economy. Jobs create prosperity and wage growth. Which comes from that is a comfortable living, being able to buy a house and car and care for family, pay for collage etc. etc.

    But if your going to follow the Obama doctrine for the economy. That has proven to be a failed policy. Need to switch gears on that one.
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    Re: Is Elizibeth Warren about why the trade deal is kept secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I will say it again. Jobs create prosperity and wage growth for everyone, including you. I have said, liberals don't care about jobs, never have never will.
    horse****.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    It's just another abused program. How about staring with a voucher system to give students the choice of school based on performance.
    we're talking about college, not high school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Ending all wars is not a choice, not that easy. War comes to us, did you forgot those people jumping to their death from the world trade center rather than burn to death. If you want to blow that event off. Fine but terrorist are growing more than ever and the 9-11's will be a common event. Do you want to live or die like that, I don't.
    how much more in taxes are you personally willing to pay to maintain a state of endless war? (in USD)

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Yeah now the Pubs are winning
    zero ****s given. i don't fall for the my team vs yours bull****. i want the best working conditions, job security, and wages for the largest number of people. we are most likely on the SAME team : workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Me too, and my solution is "jobs" policies to create a pro growth economy. Jobs create prosperity and wage growth. With comes from that is a comfortable living, being able to buy a house and car and care for family, pay for collage etc. etc.
    putting a paywall in front of college is stupid policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    But if your going to follow the Obama doctrine for the economy. That has proven to be a failed policy. Need to switch gears on that one.
    this is looking more and more hopeless. please pay more attention to my arguments and less attention to what you wish my arguments were so that you can find some hyperpartisan foothold.

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