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Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

Which lives matter?


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Seeing an avatar that says "black lives matter", let's just cut to the chase. Which lives matter? Don't be shy about it. Pick your team.
 
No lives - everyone sucks :mrgreen:
 
Seeing an avatar that says "black lives matter", let's just cut to the chase. Which lives matter? Don't be shy about it. Pick your team.

Hmmm. I'm an "all lives matter" gal. BUT! Blue Lives deserve our strict attention. We simply must realize that cops are human beings, that they aren't perfect, that they make mistakes. There is a HUGE!! difference between a cop that acts in a depraved manner and one that makes a mistake. In our current witch hunt mindset, I think we've lost sight of that.
 
Hmmm. I'm an "all lives matter" gal. BUT! Blue Lives deserve our strict attention. We simply must realize that cops are human beings, that they aren't perfect, that they make mistakes. There is a HUGE!! difference between a cop that acts in a depraved manner and one that makes a mistake. In our current witch hunt mindset, I think we've lost sight of that.

I completely agree with this, but... we have long used the "cops are human and make mistakes too" line of thinking to rationalize and justify the depraved cop's actions, as well, and that's why we are here now. We talk the talk, we don't walk the walk.

It's easy to say "all cops are bad", or "all cops are human", but until we actually start holding the depraved cops accountable and separating them from the good cops it's all just jaw-jackin'.

And I mean actually doing it, not just giving lip service.
 
I completely agree with this, but... we have long used the "cops are human and make mistakes too" line of thinking to rationalize and justify the depraved cop's actions, as well, and that's why we are here now. We talk the talk, we don't walk the walk.

It's easy to say "all cops are bad", or "all cops are human", but until we actually start holding the depraved cops accountable and separating them from the good cops it's all just jaw-jackin'.

And I mean actually doing it, not just giving lip service.

I completely agree. The Blue Line is an important and understandable loyalty. It needs to discriminate. That kind of closing ranks belongs to those who earn it, in my opinion.
 
all lives matter but I do think that -some not all-cops -don't think so...the cop in Cleveland said he got on top of the hood of the car and started shooting in the car because he feared for his life....why would you put yourself in point blank range /five feet from the suspects if you feared for your life? somethings wrong here...he should have said I want to make sure I got the kill no questions asked....
 
somethings wrong here...he should have said I want to make sure I got the kill no questions asked....
:doh
Lame.
In real life some folks purposely put themselves in harms way.
This carries forward into such professions as Police and Fire fighters as well as those who serve in the Military.
In a present case being discussed elsewhere, an Officer put himself in harms way to stop a violent criminal.
There is nothing wrong about it.
 
When someone says "black lives matter," you interpreted this as an implication that some other lives don't? That's interesting.

Wrong. But interesting.
Why specify "black"? Why not just say "lives matter"? If you don't want separations then don't separate.
 
Why specify "black"? Why not just say "lives matter"? If you don't want separations then don't separate.

Because if someone holds up a sign that says "all lives matter," you probably aren't going to understand the specific problem being highlighted. You'd probably just say "yep," rather than engaging on the actual issue.
 
Seeing an avatar that says "black lives matter", let's just cut to the chase. Which lives matter? Don't be shy about it. Pick your team.

Saying black lives matter doesn't mean you don't believe other lives matter.
 
Because if someone holds up a sign that says "all lives matter," you probably aren't going to understand the specific problem being highlighted. You'd probably just say "yep," rather than engaging on the actual issue.

What is the actual issue that saying Black Lives Matter really highlights? Because that does send a message that a large part of society seems to believe. If a black person is killed by a police officer people are outraged. If a white person is killed by an officer, almost noone bats an eye.

So again I ask what problem is this movement is trying to highlight?

Police officers using deadly force without warrant? Or black people should be held to a different standard and treated differently but killing other races is ok?
 
What is the actual issue that saying Black Lives Matter really highlights? Because that does send a message that a large part of society seems to believe. If a black person is killed by a police officer people are outraged. If a white person is killed by an officer, almost noone bats an eye.

So again I ask what problem is this movement is trying to highlight?

Police officers using deadly force without warrant? Or black people should be held to a different standard and treated differently but killing other races is ok?

You've definitely missed the issue.

People aren't outraged when a black person is killed. People are outraged when a black person is killed and the justice system is less effective in dealing with it.

So drop your horse**** straw man arguments about different standards. People don't want different standards. Different standards are the problem.
 
Hmmm. I'm an "all lives matter" gal. BUT! Blue Lives deserve our strict attention. We simply must realize that cops are human beings, that they aren't perfect, that they make mistakes. There is a HUGE!! difference between a cop that acts in a depraved manner and one that makes a mistake. In our current witch hunt mindset, I think we've lost sight of that.
Just as there is also a difference between a cop that acts crazy versus a system that trains an "us versus them" or "thin blue line" mentality where a result is that police will be more likely to use deadly force.
 
Hmmm. I'm an "all lives matter" gal. BUT! Blue Lives deserve our strict attention. We simply must realize that cops are human beings, that they aren't perfect, that they make mistakes. There is a HUGE!! difference between a cop that acts in a depraved manner and one that makes a mistake. In our current witch hunt mindset, I think we've lost sight of that.
My primary concern has always been the lack of accountability. When I make a mistake at work, there is accountability. When someone at McDonald's makes a mistake there is accountability. When a cop makes a mistake there's no accountability if there's nothing caught on camera or there are no witnesses. Many people who reflexively defend cops seem to ignore that cops are government agents. I can't wrap my mind around why someone would be comfortable with government agents making mistakes and then facing no accountability. Why do teenagers who work in fast food have higher standards of accountability than government agents who use deadly force? That does not make sense.
 
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If we are being honest...you would caveat that with black lives, that can be exploited for political gain, matter.

There were 19 black lives lost and 69 wounded in TWO cities over the memorial day weekend (Chicago and Baltimore).

You wont see anyone taking to the streets over them.
 
If we are being honest...you would caveat that with black lives, that can be exploited for political gain, matter.

There were 19 black lives lost and 69 wounded in TWO cities over the memorial day weekend (Chicago and Baltimore).

You wont see anyone taking to the streets over them.

Are the police ignoring those?
 
you forgot the corporations they are people too...lol haliburton.jpgbritish pret.jpg
 
i could not say it better.. I am a landlord ..I better not look at my tenants sideways or I could get sued..or run a stop sign in the middle of the night in an open desert. we can be put in jail or fined for not even knowing the law.. and a cop just got off for killing 2 people by purposely getting on top of the hood of a suspects car after being warned that they may be armed ..and saying he was afraid for his life...well why did you get in front of a person with a gun? 5 ft away
 
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