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Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

Which lives matter?

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ThePlayDrive said:
So if 99% of black people involved in Black Lives Matter care about their BLACK family members' lives all the time by your own admission, they only care about black lives when white people are involved? That is literally impossible. It's nice that you think so little of black people though to think their care for each other is opportunistic rather than genuine.
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There ARE opportunistic black people, TPD.... there are in EVERY race. Don't be so naive to think it doesn't happen in the black race.

And thanks a lot --- I just ruined my wet nail polish by typing this. :(
 
Actually, if Trayvon just made it home, everything wouldn't have been ok. Zimmerman's actions were not appropriate given the situation. He profiled Trayvon as a thug and a ****ing punk from the start. If Trayvon made it home, Zimmerman would have had his eye out of him the next time and pursued with his gun. Something bad happening was inevitable, because of Zimmerman's approach to neighborhood watch and his habitual poor decision making. Zimmerman is still dealing with the fact that makes poor decisions.


Josie said:
Well, technically, Trayvon Martin also did a lot of things wrong too (not going home, confronting Zimmerman, beating Zimmerman to the ground, not letting him up, trying to grab for his gun). Just like people always say "If Zimmerman had just stayed in his car...." same goes for Trayvon -- "If he would've just went home..." Both of them did stupid things - just because Zimmerman did the FIRST stupid thing, doesn't mean Trayvon was innocent at all.

I know we disagree on this. Just wanted to put the other side out there. But let's not digress..... :)
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There ARE opportunistic black people, TPD.... there are in EVERY race. Don't be so naive to think it doesn't happen in the black race.
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Sure, but we're talking about your numbers. You said that 99% of black people involved in BLM care about the lives of the black family members no matter what. This means that 99% of black people involved in BLM think black lives matter no matter what, right?
 
Josie said:
Oh, I know many black people do care. I'm just saying the only time the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag trends on Twitter or is talked about in the media is when a black person is killed by a white person. There are many people who care all the time --- but you can't deny that there are many who ONLY care when there's a white person involved.
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I think you're wrong. A few of the officers indicted for Freddie Grey's death were black. I have seen the hashtags and T-shirts in response to the Baltimore situation.

The reason the slogan exists, is because people question if black lives matter as much as white lives. It's a criticism of the justice system and how people are viewed for taking a black life versus white. I don't think it matters if the life taker is black. A lot of people have the attitude that they (black people) just kill each other anyway, as if the violence isn't a big deal.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
The fact that you think none of the black people supporting black lives matter care about their own lives or their lives of their family members except when they are threatened by white people demonstrates that you are a part of the problem. The reason black parents take their children to school is because they think black lives matter. The reason black children take care of their elderly parents is because they think black lives matter. The reason black adults volunteer for programs to help at-risk black youth is because they think black lives matter. It's disrespectful to those people, many of whom are "Black Lives Matter people", to argue, as you have, that they only think black lives matter when a white person kills them. Just because you are blind doesn't mean something doesn't exist. Maybe you should stop believing what the news tells you and go talk to the people on the ground about what they actually believe.
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You could take the world "black" out of your post, in every single instance, and then it wouldn't sound like you are trying to separate by color. It may take you awhile, though. You mentioned "black" 11 times.

Black people aren't the only ones who take their kids to school, or take care of elderly parents. ALL people do. Black people aren't going to get a medal for doing the right thing, nor should they.

That's why I think this whole "black lives matter" thing is hogwash. ALL lives matter. Stop separating by color.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Sure, but we're talking about your numbers. You said that 99% of black people involved in BLM care about the lives of the black family members no matter what. This means that 99% of black people involved in BLM think black lives matter no matter what, right?
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Not all black people are part of your family. Sooooo....no. I believe that 99% of ALL people care about what happens to their own family members.

TPD --- do you believe there are black people who raise hell only when a black, non-family member is killed by a white person?
 
SheWolf said:
I think you're wrong. A few of the officers indicted for Freddie Grey's death were black. I have seen the hashtags and T-shirts in response to the Baltimore situation.

The reason the slogan exists, is because people question if black lives matter as much as white lives. It's a criticism of the justice system and how people are viewed for taking a black life versus white. I don't think it matters if the life taker is black. A lot of people have the attitude that they (black people) just kill each other anyway, as if the violence isn't a big deal.
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Then I want to see the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag trending when the next black-on-black murder happens in Chicago. It never does. Never.

I want to see the #BlackLivesMatter people raising hell when a black man kills a white man (because, you say, that the hashtag really means that ALL lives should matter). It never happens. Ever.

I want to see Shaun King, DeRay, Marcus Lamont Hill and others tweeting how ALL lives matter when a cop shoots a white "kid". They won't.
 
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I disagree with the statement that if we don't agree with the whole "black lives matter" thing that we are part of the problem.

I think that this is separating by color, which should not be happening.

I also agree with what Josie said - I want to see #blacklivesmatter trending every single time a black person shoots another black person. Not only when a black person is shot by a white person. But then that's all that would ever be trending. Nothing would ever else have a chance to trend, because black on black crime is so ridiculously high that nothing else would ever trend.
 
Josie said:
Not all black people are part of your family.
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So what? If you value black lives even when they aren't being threatened by white people, then you still value black lives.

TPD --- do you believe there are black people who raise hell only when a black, non-family member is killed by a white person?
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What does this question have to do with Black Lives Matter, though? If you read, watch or listen to the black members of BLM, you'll notice that this is a highly personal thing for them. In other words, very few of them are just "raising hell" for strangers. They're raising hell against a system that threatens them and their family members.
 
If all black lives matter, then ALLLLLLLLL black lives matter..... not just the ones that the media will be interested in bringing their cameras out for. The slogan is very empty when it's obviously only used during certain situations.
 
The cumulation of this post and all your others posts in this thread shows your racial prejudice, and I am saying this in a honest way, not a personal attack, trolling kind of way. You can't argue one minute that race doesn't matter and all you see is people, and all lives matter, and then try to criticize black people for not using the hashtag when black on black crime happens. You yourself are seeing race in this discussion, and you're obviously showing bias.

You're not black, but if you care that black lives matter and think the hashtag isn't utilized properly, then next time a black person is killed in south Chicago gang violence, you can trend it yourself. You don't have to be black to show the black community support and love. It should be obvious that black lives matter no matter who takes the life.

As TPD already gave you the lecture, black lives matter to black people in the ghetto, in south side Chicago, and when another black person murders their son or brother... why do you need them to tell you that on twitter? You said to TPD, well all families care about their members, blah, blah, blah, and then your color-blinders suddenly get switched off somehow and forget what you just said.





Josie said:
Then I want to see the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag trending when the next black-on-black murder happens in Chicago. It never does. Never.

I want to see the #BlackLivesMatter people raising hell when a black man kills a white man (because, you say, that the quote really means that ALL lives should matter). It never happens. Ever.
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Why would I use such a divisive hashtag? ALL lives matter.
 
Superfly said:
I disagree with the statement that if we don't agree with the whole "black lives matter" thing that we are part of the problem.

I think that this is separating by color, which should not be happening.

I also agree with what Josie said - I want to see #blacklivesmatter trending every single time a black person shoots another black person. Not only when a black person is shot by a white person. But then that's all that would ever be trending. Nothing would ever else have a chance to trend, because black on black crime is so ridiculously high that nothing else would ever trend.
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Thats essentially saying dont be aware of history and reality...
 
I do not have sufficient knowledge to answer this question in the affirmative and therefore deny the same
 
Josie said:
Then I want to see the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag trending when the next black-on-black murder happens in Chicago. It never does. Never.

I want to see the #BlackLivesMatter people raising hell when a black man kills a white man (because, you say, that the hashtag really means that ALL lives should matter). It never happens. Ever.

I want to see Shaun King, DeRay, Marcus Lamont Hill and others tweeting how ALL lives matter when a cop shoots a white "kid". They won't.
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It's not about you.
 
Josie said:
Why would I use such a divisive hashtag? ALL lives matter.
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How is it divisive? Almost every Black Lives Matter rally is interracial so it isn't dividing by race.
 
Josie said:
If all black lives matter, then ALLLLLLLLL black lives matter..... not just the ones that the media will be interested in bringing their cameras out for. The slogan is very empty when it's obviously only used during certain situations.
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I care about innocent lives like McKenzie Elliott, which I bet the majority of protesters have forgotten or never even heard of. I personally couldn't care less about thug lives, but those who want to chant "black lives matter" need to quit the BS selective outrage as you've argued.
 
X Factor said:
Seeing an avatar that says "black lives matter", let's just cut to the chase. Which lives matter? Don't be shy about it. Pick your team.
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All of them. It just seems that some people think some matter more than others. The black lives campaign is merely pointing out that discrepancy.
 
Superfly said:
Black people aren't the only ones who take their kids to school, or take care of elderly parents. ALL people do. Black people aren't going to get a medal for doing the right thing, nor should they.
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Wait, do you actually think that I was saying black people are the only ones who take their kids to school? That's ****ing amazing. Long live the American education system!
 
what would really be great is if blacks actually thought black lives mattered

blacks can whine about police killings-some of which appear to have dubious reasons (such as the cops in a car shooting that boy in cleveland who had an air soft pistol or the cops shooting that man carrying an air gun in the Dayton area)-but until blacks stop killing other blacks at rates far higher than white on white killings and many times higher than white on black killings, nothing is really going to get better. and like it or not, the high rate of murder perpetrated by young black men isn't going to help their relationship with cops
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Wait, do you actually think that I was saying black people are the only ones who take their kids to school? That's ****ing amazing. Long live the American education system!
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You really, really like insulting people when you don't agree with what they say, don't you?
 
Josie said:
Why would I use such a divisive hashtag? ALL lives matter.
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Then why are you demanding that others to use it in specific situations?
 
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