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Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

Which lives matter?


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You've definitely missed the issue.

People aren't outraged when a black person is killed. People are outraged when a black person is killed and the justice system is less effective in dealing with it.

So drop your horse**** straw man arguments about different standards. People don't want different standards. Different standards are the problem.

How should the justice system have handled the Michael Brown shooting?
 
The soundbite actually means "Black lives matter TOO." The perception is that they don't count quite as much as other peoples' do.
 
Are the police ignoring those?
Are you? Is pretty much everyone? Does it seem like it matters all that much to rev Al? Jessie?
 
What annoys me about the "Black Lives Matter" people is that they only bring that out when a black person is killed by a white person (or a person who LOOKS white - Zimmerman). So really it's not "black lives matter" it's "black lives only matter when whitey kills them".
 
Then why specify black?

It's to do with context. A white Zimbabwean farmer might be quite justified to demonstrate in downtown Harare with a sign saying "White lives matter" - but the context here was blacks being gunned down by white policeman. D'oh.
 
How should the justice system have handled the Michael Brown shooting?

"Black Lives Matter" is not just a response to the constant shooting of unarmed black men and women. It a sentiment from a minority in this country that is still by and large not liked by the majority.

Many black people feel like there are in a country that doesn't want them, that seems to hate them, and see them as monsters. Many African Americans feel like that don't matter to the one race in this country that is pulling most of the strings here.
 
So really it's not "black lives matter" it's "black lives only matter when whitey kills them".

No, I don't think it does mean that. But if whitey has ended a black life because it was a black life, that adds another dimension and needs to be explored.

I remember back to the dim, distant days of WAVAW (women against violence against women) - nobody was saying that violence against men is OK, however that was the criticism. The fact is there are specific issues around sexism and misogyny that need to be underlined at times, as is the case here with race.
 
What annoys me about the "Black Lives Matter" people is that they only bring that out when a black person is killed by a white person (or a person who LOOKS white - Zimmerman). So really it's not "black lives matter" it's "black lives only matter when whitey kills them".

Black criminals are always charged, found guilty, and then locked up. I doubt you have ever in your life bothered to explore a black community or their youth outreach programs - which address day by day black on black crime. So this mantra " Black people don't care about their own criminals" is a myopic and ignorant statement. They do care and with what little resources african americans have in their low income communities they do what they can to combat it.

The issue is when a black man and woman, unarmed, is gunned down by a white cop and then nothing happens.

The kid with a toy sword and the black man walking around with a toy gun in a store from which he got the toy gun from where both killed and no cops found guilty.

Grand Jury Finds Officers' Actions Justified In Fatal Shooting Of Man Holding Air Rifle At Wal-Mart

That sparks an outcry. It appears to some that black lives don't matter. Shoot em' dead first and ask questions later.
 
You've definitely missed the issue.

People aren't outraged when a black person is killed. People are outraged when a black person is killed and the justice system is less effective in dealing with it.

So drop your horse**** straw man arguments about different standards. People don't want different standards. Different standards are the problem.

You don't know effective the system is at dealing with other situations because you only pay attention to one.

Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage: analysis - Washington Times

FACTS: Cops Kill Whites at Almost Double The Rate That Cops Kill Blacks | LibertyNEWS.com

You can find plenty of more articles with a quick google search. Police shoot people. People only care about black victims in these cases. Its not just black lives that matter.
 
It's to do with context. A white Zimbabwean farmer might be quite justified to demonstrate in downtown Harare with a sign saying "White lives matter" - but the context here was blacks being gunned down by white policeman. D'oh.

And what about the white people gunned down by police officers? At even larger numbers? Is that ok? or is it wrong, but just not wrong enough for you to care?
 
Black criminals are always charged, found guilty, and then locked up. I doubt you have ever in your life bothered to explore a black community or their youth outreach programs - which address day by day black on black crime. So this mantra " Black people don't care about their own criminals" is a myopic and ignorant statement. They do care and with what little resources african americans have in their low income communities they do what they can to combat it.

The issue is when a black man and woman, unarmed, is gunned down by a white cop and then nothing happens.

The kid with a toy sword and the black man walking around with a toy gun in a store from which he got the toy gun from where both killed and no cops found guilty.

Grand Jury Finds Officers' Actions Justified In Fatal Shooting Of Man Holding Air Rifle At Wal-Mart

That sparks an outcry. It appears to some that black lives don't matter. Shoot em' dead first and ask questions later.

Do you happen to know how many people who are not black are gunned down by cops without charges? Do you think low income and poor white people have fountains of resources being rained down upon them? The issues you are attempting to bring up effect poverty stricken neighborhoods. Not black neighborhoods. Poverty is not just a black thing, and the poor being treated like **** is not a racial thing.
 
And what about the white people gunned down by police officers? At even larger numbers? Is that ok? or is it wrong, but just not wrong enough for you to care?

Your post is the most obtuse this year on DP. Gold star for that.

Now find me the post where this white woman said white lives didn't matter enough for her to care about.
 
Seeing an avatar that says "black lives matter", let's just cut to the chase. Which lives matter? Don't be shy about it. Pick your team.

I've said "all lives matter" since all this started. In my opinion, this is just another way to separate by color. I thought we'd gotten past that, but I guess we haven't.
 
I've said "all lives matter" since all this started. In my opinion, this is just another way to separate by color. I thought we'd gotten past that, but I guess we haven't.

Exactly.
 
How should the justice system have handled the Michael Brown shooting?

They should have treated it like any other criminal coming after a police officer. See all this "black lives matter" stuff started after Michael Brown got shot, but he got shot after a strong-arm robbery, going after a cop. People are comparing it to the Trayvon Martin shooting. In my opinion, the two could not be more different. I truly feel that Martin was killed by a wannabe cop who was told to stay in his car, and he didn't. Martin was innocent. Brown was not.

People need to stop looking at color and start looking at the reason they got shot.
 
What annoys me about the "Black Lives Matter" people is that they only bring that out when a black person is killed by a white person (or a person who LOOKS white - Zimmerman). So really it's not "black lives matter" it's "black lives only matter when whitey kills them".
The fact that you think none of the black people supporting black lives matter care about their own lives or their lives of their family members except when they are threatened by white people demonstrates that you are a part of the problem. The reason black parents take their children to school is because they think black lives matter. The reason black children take care of their elderly parents is because they think black lives matter. The reason black adults volunteer for programs to help at-risk black youth is because they think black lives matter. It's disrespectful to those people, many of whom are "Black Lives Matter people", to argue, as you have, that they only think black lives matter when a white person kills them. Just because you are blind doesn't mean something doesn't exist. Maybe you should stop believing what the news tells you and go talk to the people on the ground about what they actually believe.
 
They should have treated it like any other criminal coming after a police officer. See all this "black lives matter" stuff started after Michael Brown got shot, but he got shot after a strong-arm robbery, going after a cop. People are comparing it to the Trayvon Martin shooting. In my opinion, the two could not be more different. I truly feel that Martin was killed by a wannabe cop who was told to stay in his car, and he didn't. Martin was innocent. Brown was not.

People need to stop looking at color and start looking at the reason they got shot.

Well, technically, Trayvon Martin also did a lot of things wrong too (not going home, confronting Zimmerman, beating Zimmerman to the ground, not letting him up, trying to grab for his gun). Just like people always say "If Zimmerman had just stayed in his car...." same goes for Trayvon -- "If he would've just went home..." Both of them did stupid things - just because Zimmerman did the FIRST stupid thing, doesn't mean Trayvon was innocent at all.

I know we disagree on this. Just wanted to put the other side out there. But let's not digress..... :)
 
If you don't understand the meaning of Black lives matter, you're either clueless or obtuse.
 
The fact that you think none of the black people supporting black lives matter care about their own lives or their lives of their family members except when they are threatened by white people demonstrates that you are a part of the problem. The reason black parents take their children to school is because they think black lives matter. The reason black children take care of their elderly parents is because they think black lives matter. The reason black adults volunteer for programs to help at-risk black youth is because they think black lives matter. It's disrespectful to those people, many of whom are "Black Lives Matter people", to argue, as you have, that they only think black lives matter when a white person kills them. Just because you are blind doesn't mean something doesn't exist. Maybe you should stop believing what the news tells you and go talk to the people on the ground about what they actually believe.

Oh, I know many black people do care. I'm just saying the only time the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag trends on Twitter or is talked about in the media is when a black person is killed by a white person. There are many people who care all the time --- but you can't deny that there are many who ONLY care when there's a white person involved.
 
you can't deny that there are many who ONLY care when there's a white person involved.
What percentage (estimated, of course) of black people involved in Black Lives Matter do you think only care about their and their family members lives when a white person is involved?
 
What percentage (estimated, of course) of black people involved in Black Lives Matter do you think only care about their and their family members lives when a white person is involved?

I think probably 99% care about their family members no matter what happens to them.
 
I think probably 99% care about their family members no matter what happens to them.
Then that means that 99% of black people involved in Black Lives Matter believe that black lives matter no matter who poses a threat to them which, in turn, means that your original assertion is inaccurate.
 
Then that means that 99% of black people involved in Black Lives Matter believe that black lives matter no matter who poses a threat to them which, in turn, means that your original assertion is inaccurate.

Incorrect.....for obvious reasons.
 
Incorrect.....for obvious reasons.
So if 99% of black people involved in Black Lives Matter care about their BLACK family members' lives all the time by your own admission, they only care about black lives when white people are involved? That is literally impossible. Those statements are inherently contradictory. It's nice that you think so little of black people though to think their care for each other is opportunistic rather than genuine.
 
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