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  • Blue lives

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  • All lives

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  • No lives - everyone sucks

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Thread: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I've never read the article you're referring to or seen it posted. I'll be happy to post some links, though. Unfortunately, nobody will be able to find anything about recent gang violence protests in Baltimore because the first thousand pages of google are filled with Freddie Gray stories. I'll be happy to share the latest from the last few years, and since you mention Chicago:

    Here's one from Chicago from 2013 (500 people, not 9)
    Social media initiative to stop the gang violence in Chicago
    And in a Chicago community in 2012, once again attended by hundreds
    Again, hundreds of people in Springfield, Mass from 2014

    Harlem and Newark have had protests in recent years. Chicago has had a lot of them. Detroit has had them. I can keep posting links but what's the point? You prefer your narrative and would rather change the facts than your opinion. It took me 5 minutes to find those ones and there are hundreds more from recent years. So that's hundreds of protests with hundreds of people, which over the years add up to hundreds of thousands that protest gang violence. It's not just protests, it's community outreach programs, state government action, involvement with families and schools, etc. Al Sharpton has spoken about it so many times that it would take forever just to post all the links here.

    Gang violence is something these people have to live with. People who live in the inner city are threatened by gang violence. Members of their family are shot. Some members of their family may be the ones shooting people. For them, this is life and death. For you, it's a political talking point. That seems pretty disgusting to me.
    Oh...damn. See you DID do that EXACT thing I was talking about. ONE rally...WOW '500' people...held one time...back in 2013...and then...gone. Cant blame em. Hell they had 50 people shot in Chicago last week. Its not SAFE to go a protesting. Oh...a Social Media protest...THATS the equivalence of the "Black Lives Matter" events. And once AGAIN...by the HUNDREDS...3 years ago.

    Yep. The same pathetic weak ass offering. Meanwhile...theres blood in the streets every weekend.

    Do you REALLY want to pretend its the same thing?

    A cop kills Mike Brown...a piece of **** street thug. And what happens? Hell...THAT response is still ongoing. A mother and her 7 year old son got shot yesterday.

    Nothing.

    I gotta tell ya man...your pretense that it somehow 'matters' while people die or that those clown shows somehow indicate this broad community response...THAT seems pretty disgusting to me. But hey...thats just me.

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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I've never read the article you're referring to or seen it posted. I'll be happy to post some links, though. Unfortunately, nobody will be able to find anything about recent gang violence protests in Baltimore because the first thousand pages of google are filled with Freddie Gray stories. I'll be happy to share the latest from the last few years, and since you mention Chicago:

    Here's one from Chicago from 2013 (500 people, not 9)
    Social media initiative to stop the gang violence in Chicago
    And in a Chicago community in 2012, once again attended by hundreds
    Again, hundreds of people in Springfield, Mass from 2014

    Harlem and Newark have had protests in recent years. Chicago has had a lot of them. Detroit has had them. I can keep posting links but what's the point? You prefer your narrative and would rather change the facts than your opinion. It took me 5 minutes to find those ones and there are hundreds more from recent years. So that's hundreds of protests with hundreds of people, which over the years add up to hundreds of thousands that protest gang violence. It's not just protests, it's community outreach programs, state government action, involvement with families and schools, etc. Al Sharpton has spoken about it so many times that it would take forever just to post all the links here.

    Gang violence is something these people have to live with. People who live in the inner city are threatened by gang violence. Members of their family are shot. Some members of their family may be the ones shooting people. For them, this is life and death. For you, it's a political talking point. That seems pretty disgusting to me.
    Oh...and BTW...one of your oh so powerful 'stories'...

    CHICAGO (STMW) — More than 200 local residents, fed up with what they perceive to be dangerous gang-related funeral processions rolling through their Beverly and Mount Greenwood communities, were staged a silent protest Saturday afternoon.

    They are protesting gang related funeral processions.

    Once.

    Cuz...black lives matter.

    Geeeeeeezus.

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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So now the thread has reached the point of asking everybody again, do ALL LIVES really MATTER?


    That point was reached awhile back when you decided to spew your made-up false bs about the Zimmerman case.
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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Because the odds of being killed by a cop while unarmed are far higher if you're black. It doesn't need to be said that white lives matter, because this never happens to them, and saying all lives matter is too general to get the point across.
    It sounds like you're naive enough to believe that only what the media shows you actually happens.
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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hmmm. I'm an "all lives matter" gal. BUT! Blue Lives deserve our strict attention. We simply must realize that cops are human beings, that they aren't perfect, that they make mistakes. There is a HUGE!! difference between a cop that acts in a depraved manner and one that makes a mistake. In our current witch hunt mindset, I think we've lost sight of that.

    While I agree with you that all lives are important, cops have a particularly different job. They are tasked to do daily with bad people, difficult situations and on occasion split second difficult life or death decisions. It's difficult to be perfect under those circumstances. It's difficult to not be psychologically affected by the job. It's impossible for everyone to appreciate the outcome of your actions.

    On the other hand, there are heavy responsibilities that come with positions which have that much power. I've seen police abuse their authority. I was once a military policeman myself. The job is sometimes thankless, sometimes rewarding. It requires scrutiny but it also deserves understanding.
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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    None of the Above.

    Whether a life matters depends upon the individual and what they do to make themselves either matter or not. Most people matter. But some make themselves a negative to their society, thus making their lives not matter and their death a positive.
    I strongly agree. It's basic logic that the subtraction of a negative is a positive.
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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    While I agree with you that all lives are important, cops have a particularly different job. They are tasked to do daily with bad people, difficult situations and on occasion split second difficult life or death decisions. It's difficult to be perfect under those circumstances. It's difficult to not be psychologically affected by the job. It's impossible for everyone to appreciate the outcome of your actions.

    On the other hand, there are heavy responsibilities that come with positions which have that much power. I've seen police abuse their authority. I was once a military policeman myself. The job is sometimes thankless, sometimes rewarding. It requires scrutiny but it also deserves understanding.
    You're preach in' to the choir, Sawdust. I completely agree.


    Thank you, Quazi!

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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    In context...how is it demonstrated that all these other lives matter? There were 81 people in two cities shot and 19 of them killed in one weekend. That's pretty ****ing tragic. We aren't talking a convenience store thug here...we are talking many innocents caught in the crossfire of straight up victims of attacks. Where are the pickets? Where are the protests? 37 people dead in one month in Baltimore...most recently a mother and her son. Where is the outrage? Where is the AG? Where are the race batters and charlatans?

    Black lives don't matter. People don't even offer the pretense that they do. THOSE black lives are different. THOSE black lives don't even merit a decent sidewalk disturbance.
    Tragic indeed.

    Black lives matter. Of course they do. All lives matter.

    What's surprising is who's demonstrating, through their actions no less, that they believe black lives don't matter.

    Woman, boy most recent homicides in Baltimore as city sees deadliest month in years | Fox News

    Baltimore sees deadliest month in 15 years - CNN.com

    May 2015: Baltimore's deadliest month since 1996 - Baltimore Sun

    What say you, Madam Mayor?
    “As a mom, that’s something you carry with you every day,” she said. “He was 16 on the bus stop coming from school. There are good citizens out here. I don’t bring harm to no one. I’m fed up, and my heart is sad from all this shooting.”
    . . .
    The mayor condemned the shootings and outlined actions being taken after meeting with the commissioner.
    They include more foot patrols, a focus on repeat offenders, and new Western District leader.
    “We can’t tolerate this. Not on any level, this level of violence,” said Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake.
    The commissioner has said officers faced challenges in the western district, often being surrounded when responding to calls–all of this since the death of Freddie Gray.
    The number of arrests is way down this may compared to last, yet police brass contend they’re not backing off.
    And in a new letter addressing challenges, point out their focus will remain in the western district, where three more people were shot overnight.
    “It’s absolutely egregious that we’ve passed the 100 mark for homicides in the City of Baltimore,” said Jamal Bryant.
    The number of homicides is 35 so far this month. That beat the previous record in December 1999.
    There have been 108 homicides so far this year as compared to 75 last year around this time.
    Baltimore police also report a total of 205 non-fatal shootings so far this year, compared to 115 last year.
    Mayor Responds To Deadliest Month In Baltimore In 16 Years « CBS Baltimore

    Puts more police on the streets, on foot patrols, outside of the protection of their cruiser, hopefully NOT to become additional targets of opportunity.

    50 years of failed liberal / leftist policies, and this is what you get.

    "I know. Let's institute the same policies in all major cities across the nation. It'll make things better" - The leftists claim.
    And I'm being accused of being a racist when I object to that direction. Nice. We as a nation are so surely screwed.
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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Tragic indeed.

    Black lives matter. Of course they do. All lives matter.

    What's surprising is who's demonstrating, through their actions no less, that they believe black lives don't matter.

    Woman, boy most recent homicides in Baltimore as city sees deadliest month in years | Fox News

    Baltimore sees deadliest month in 15 years - CNN.com

    May 2015: Baltimore's deadliest month since 1996 - Baltimore Sun

    What say you, Madam Mayor?

    Mayor Responds To Deadliest Month In Baltimore In 16 Years « CBS Baltimore

    Puts more police on the streets, on foot patrols, outside of the protection of their cruiser, hopefully NOT to become additional targets of opportunity.

    50 years of failed liberal / leftist policies, and this is what you get.

    "I know. Let's institute the same policies in all major cities across the nation. It'll make things better" - The leftists claim.
    And I'm being accused of being a racist when I object to that direction. Nice. We as a nation are so surely screwed.
    Absolutely makes the point. 108 homicides in 5 months in Baltimore (and how many hundreds of shootings, beatings, stabbings). ANd why are discussing Baltimore? Because one guy with a long criminal history got arrested and may or may not have been mishandled by cops upon arrest.

    Baltimore has consistently been near the top of the leaderboard as one of the most violent cities in the country. That has never mattered. Hell...it still doesnt. The violence in Baltimore didnt get any attention til cops arrested a guy who hit his head in a police vehicle after he was in custody.

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    Re: Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Absolutely makes the point. 108 homicides in 5 months in Baltimore (and how many hundreds of shootings, beatings, stabbings). ANd why are discussing Baltimore? Because one guy with a long criminal history got arrested and may or may not have been mishandled by cops upon arrest.

    Baltimore has consistently been near the top of the leaderboard as one of the most violent cities in the country. That has never mattered. Hell...it still doesnt. The violence in Baltimore didnt get any attention til cops arrested a guy who hit his head in a police vehicle after he was in custody.
    To be fair, it really shouldn't matter how many arrests someone has, the police shouldn't be abusing anyone in their custody.

    The point I was making that all this 'Black Live Matter' claiming that the rest of society doesn't acknowledge or accept this is more or less propaganda, as the people that don't live by 'Black Lives Matter' are within their own communities, the murder and non-fatal assault statistics from Baltimore document this clearly.

    If these communities really want to improve their communities, they should be reporting those that are shooting and stabbing people to the police, rather than protesting when one of them is arrested.
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