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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Oh my....are you arguing that works projects do not have redistributive aspects?
    "Works projects?" Could you be more specific?
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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I never said you did.
    Good, we're in agreement - have a good day.
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Even you should be able to figure out that there's plenty of tax dollars already collected to fund all the infrastructure and research and development needed today and for years to come. Unfortunately, politicians like to give handouts and like to waste money on pet projects rather than spend taxpayer dollars wisely on the core functions of government.
    You are assuming the US is not operating under sequestration, but we are. You ought to be smart enough to understand that there are not additional funds above core spending for works programs.

    How much is collected from taxpayers from gas taxes, tolls, driver and car licensing, traffic fines/penalties, etc.? Then tell us how much of that is actually spent on maintaining roads and bridges and not just flushed down the general revenues toilet.
    Well, 2 points, we have not been collecting enough for needed work.......and....those dollars are often diverted because there are NOT enough revenues for the rest of the budgets.


    But all of this is a diversion from the point, which is that you have once again contradicted your argument, first arguing for taxation for public works, then an about face and calling for cuts.
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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good, we're in agreement - have a good day.
    No, we aren't, you decided to create straw to cover your contradiction.
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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You cannot. You need prosperity first, and from there you can tax to and create various government program.
    The way you create prosperity is by creating jobs. Those jobs hopfully will create more demand where by more jobs are created. Simialar to using kindling to start a fire.

    There is no prosperity if there are no jobs to be had.


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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    "Works projects?" Could you be more specific?
    Mmmm...no.
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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Consider the following quote from Winston Churchill:
    "We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."

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    Absolutely yes. A tax system is an essential instrument in economic policy, and without it no prosperity would be likely, given historical experience.

    Tax expenditure by a nation is fundamentally different from individual expenditure. The former is basically redistribution of resources- what is taken from one area is given to another. The question of wise expenditure is a managerial issue, just as it is in the private sector. We've seen some very bad decisions in both, but that does not negate the need for public participation in the economy.

    Taxation was essential in escape from the great depression of the '30s, and then in helping the post war boom after WW2. Social programs born out of the desperation of the depression helped to build the middle class society we see today (although it is fading, as the lessons of the past are forgotten by an apathetic populace today).

    Without the planning functions allowed by a tax system, we would end up with a few Walton families and similar, a few (God help us) Donald Trumps, and a lot of peons running about hoping to earn a few pennies, and take them back to their rusty trailers. Or worse than that, we would have Somali style warlords.

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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganesh View Post
    Absolutely yes. A tax system is an essential instrument in economic policy, and without it no prosperity would be likely, given historical experience.

    Tax expenditure by a nation is fundamentally different from individual expenditure. The former is basically redistribution of resources- what is taken from one area is given to another. The question of wise expenditure is a managerial issue, just as it is in the private sector. We've seen some very bad decisions in both, but that does not negate the need for public participation in the economy.

    Taxation was essential in escape from the great depression of the '30s, and then in helping the post war boom after WW2. Social programs born out of the desperation of the depression helped to build the middle class society we see today (although it is fading, as the lessons of the past are forgotten by an apathetic populace today).

    Without the planning functions allowed by a tax system, we would end up with a few Walton families and similar, a few (God help us) Donald Trumps, and a lot of peons running about hoping to earn a few pennies, and take them back to their rusty trailers. Or worse than that, we would have Somali style warlords.
    Great post. One the worst uses of our tax dollars is the trillions of dollars spent with our recent advenure in Iraq.


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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good, we're in agreement - have a good day.
    How canadian. Can't win an argument so you just roll over in defeat.

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    Re: Can A Nation Tax Itself Into Prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Mmmm...no.
    Then what do you think you're asking and why would you expect an answer? Just thinking out loud rhetorically?
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