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Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?


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horsehockey.... "repeal and replace" cannot happen when we have the President who came up with it still in office, and enough Democrats in the Senate to support his veto.

as time goes on, there's a much less of a chance they will even try though.... .once you hand candy to a baby , it's gets pretty ugly trying to take it away.... unless it's better candy.

They didn't even try.....sorry. It was a lie from the start. Anyone who believed the GOP was going to follow through was completely gullible.
 
They didn't even try.....sorry. It was a lie from the start. Anyone who believed the GOP was going to follow through was completely gullible.

why would they even try?...

even my dog knows there was a less than 0% chance of success.

why do you believe otherwise?
 
why would they even try?...

even my dog knows there was a less than 0% chance of success.

why do you believe otherwise?

Why did they engage in 100's of half-hearted attempts before they gained control of the Senate? They played the gullible electorate like the fools that they are. The GOP never really wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare....it was political fodder for them. If they really had wanted to, don't you think they would have at least came up with a plan of their own? DOH!
 
Why did they engage in 100's of half-hearted attempts before they gained control of the Senate? They played the gullible electorate like the fools that they are. The GOP never really wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare....it was political fodder for them. If they really had wanted to, don't you think they would have at least came up with a plan of their own? DOH!

there's nothing I do or say to help you understand...you've got it all figured out. :roll:
 
Well if you look at demographics it goes both ways. I think the issue of gay marriage will kind of fade and people will drop that one. Stuff such as strong marriages, abortion, drugs (specifically weed) etc, that is the kind of stuff that a Republican could use towards minorities and younger demographics.

Younger demographics want strong marriages when they happen, people don't get married as often anymore but when they do, they want it to last. They also understand that if the family can be together or at least, both parents are good parents that that is a huge thing that needs to be rewarded.

Abortion is a horrible thing that I think both sides talk to casually about but conservatives have a chance to make that issue work in there favor with non-white demographics.

Marijuana is an issue where Republicans and Democrats could potentially come together and create taxes that benefit everyone. It's an issue that Democrats dance around and really only libertarian Republicans touch on. Republicans could easily own the issue.
 
there's nothing I do or say to help you understand...you've got it all figured out. :roll:
Its not that difficult. Do you actually believe that the Repubs ever truly intended or wanted to repeal Obamacare? I hope that you arent' that gullible.
 
which also points to a confirmation bias within the liberal dominated social sciences ;)

Why is that automatically biased against conservatives? The same people have also studied liberals and noted strengths and weaknesses. Conservatives look for strong leaders and produce stronger leaders in comparison to Liberal parties. Liberals are less susceptible to confirmation bias and will change, update, and abandon opinions more easily than conservatives, and that is typically perceived as a character weakness. Authoritarian Conservatives view a Liberals admittance to wrong as a weakness. It goes back to their belief in absolute right and wrong, and obviously, they think they are absolutely right.

If you read into the studies, it helps make sense of the world. It helps us understand why things work the way they do. I don't believe social sciences are a vehicle used to pick on conservatives and manipulate facts to prove liberals right.
 
Christian people of color are socially conservative for the most part. So, as usual, libs must lie to forward their agenda. I'm sure that makes you all feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Lame response.
 
The indoctrination is moving along swimmingly. Yay? :roll: Thank the stars our kids are being brainwashed into believing every abhorrent modern lib ideal under the sun. <wretch>


Why I firmly believe it is permanent is due to the legal ramifications of gay marriage and states legalizing weed such as in Colorado. You can't turn back the courts. You can't establish legality and legal legitimacy then undo it. Law doesn't work that way. You've already created legal economies such as in Colorado, such as in states with gay marriage, where those legal economies will be almost impossible to undo as they become more tiered and stable. Anti-weed Colorado legislators have already said it's now impossible for weed to ever be illegal in Colorado and that the vote of legalization would always pass now in that state if not solely for economic and tax reasons. The same is true of gay marriage in states where it's legal.

You can't "undo legalized social liberalism" from the very mouths of defeated social conservatives in said states and that's precisely why social liberalism is here to stay in my view.
 
Christian people of color are socially conservative for the most part.
So, as usual, libs must lie to forward their agenda. I'm sure that makes you all feel warm and fuzzy inside.



Come back and tell us all about that about 30 years from now after the massive demographic change that's coming at the GOP hits full force like a tidal wave and reduces the GOP to a minor, regional, party.

The clock is ticking.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Why is that automatically biased against conservatives? The same people have also studied liberals and noted strengths and weaknesses. Conservatives look for strong leaders and produce stronger leaders in comparison to Liberal parties. Liberals are less susceptible to confirmation bias and will change, update, and abandon opinions more easily than conservatives, and that is typically perceived as a character weakness. Authoritarian Conservatives view a Liberals admittance to wrong as a weakness. It goes back to their belief in absolute right and wrong, and obviously, they think they are absolutely right.

If you read into the studies, it helps make sense of the world. It helps us understand why things work the way they do. I don't believe social sciences are a vehicle used to pick on conservatives and manipulate facts to prove liberals right.

it's automatically biased against conservatives because the entire field of study is stocked with liberals... literally.


I've read a few studies before.... they read as a bunch of liberals concocting the many ways they feel conservatives are inferior people or somehow inherently flawed, without fail.
(thank god they don't do many studies on libertarians....no telling how many ways liberals feel we are inferior or somehow inherently flawed.)

when you formulate a closely held tribal-moral cult with a set of sacred values...you'll not find much disagreement, and you'll certain find confirmation bias abounding.
 
Come back and tell us all about that about 30 years from now after the massive demographic change that's coming at the GOP hits full force like a tidal wave and reduces the GOP to a minor, regional, party.

The clock is ticking.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

personally, I'd be surprised if any white people remain Democratic voters in 30 years time...the party rhetoric is already causing "white flight", and there's no signs that the party cares or has plans to tone it down.
 
personally, I'd be surprised if any white people remain Democratic voters in 30 years time...the party rhetoric is already causing "white flight", and there's no signs that the party cares or has plans to tone it down.

Yep. They've pretty much made the entire party far left fringe fruit loops - actual liberals and Democrats who are moderate will either go independent or find a new home in left of center libertarianism.
 
it's automatically biased against conservatives because the entire field of study is stocked with liberals... literally.


I've read a few studies before.... they read as a bunch of liberals concocting the many ways they feel conservatives are inferior people or somehow inherently flawed, without fail.
(thank god they don't do many studies on libertarians....no telling how many ways liberals feel we are inferior or somehow inherently flawed.)

when you formulate a closely held tribal-moral cult with a set of sacred values...you'll not find much disagreement, and you'll certain find confirmation bias abounding.

I think the studies have an insight, but it's incredibly limited. Many times they read like early 20th century cultural anthropologies, looking at their research subjects with a sense of bewilderment when coming into contact with savages.

The idea that liberals are less subject to confirmation bias and are more willing to change opinions based on evidence is pretty laughable. They are human beings, regardless of their liberal superpowers. It's not as if intellectual history hasn't shown dogma to be pervasive in all ideological designations.

Furthermore, I think taking the social sciences with universal authority is a massive mistake. Researchers, though they have data, can and have fashioned the framework in such a manner as to bias the conversation. Much of this is incredibly innocuous, because they use experience and intuition to guide their research. However, I have discovered peering through forty years of educational research, professional and ideological biases easily crept through.
 
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Come back and tell us all about that about 30 years from now after the massive demographic change that's coming at the GOP hits full force like a tidal wave and reduces the GOP to a minor, regional, party.

The clock is ticking.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

I don't doubt what you say. That's not what my comment was addressing.
 
Given what we know about Authoritarian Conservatives, I would put less stock in their studies as suggesting they are victimized. The fact that they are authoritarians means they try to control information, isolate others from free exchange of information, and will manipulate facts, because they believe they are absolutely right. They are less likely to change opinions and abandon ideas when proven wrong.

I agree, social science is going to be a more attractive field to liberals, because it requires a questioning the established way of doing things, why society is organized the way it is, and what is a better way of socializing with each other. That is the opposite of a conservative philosophy of traditionalism and resisting change.

As far as Libertarians, they tend to be less authoritarian than social conservatives and value individual rights over religious beliefs. In college, I saw many *true Libertarians discussing philosophy with left leaning anarchists. They have overlapping values. Libertarians and mainstream Liberals are more likely going to get along versus social conservatives.


*I saw true Libertarians, because I think a lot of unhappy neoconservative, social conservative, and establishment republicans are calling themselves Libertarians now, because they are unhappy with the GOP.
it's automatically biased against conservatives because the entire field of study is stocked with liberals... literally.


I've read a few studies before.... they read as a bunch of liberals concocting the many ways they feel conservatives are inferior people or somehow inherently flawed, without fail.
(thank god they don't do many studies on libertarians....no telling how many ways liberals feel we are inferior or somehow inherently flawed.)

when you formulate a closely held tribal-moral cult with a set of sacred values...you'll not find much disagreement, and you'll certain find confirmation bias abounding.
 
Why I firmly believe it is permanent is due to the legal ramifications of gay marriage and states legalizing weed such as in Colorado. You can't turn back the courts. You can't establish legality and legal legitimacy then undo it. Law doesn't work that way. You've already created legal economies such as in Colorado, such as in states with gay marriage, where those legal economies will be almost impossible to undo as they become more tiered and stable. Anti-weed Colorado legislators have already said it's now impossible for weed to ever be illegal in Colorado and that the vote of legalization would always pass now in that state if not solely for economic and tax reasons. The same is true of gay marriage in states where it's legal.

You can't "undo legalized social liberalism" from the very mouths of defeated social conservatives in said states and that's precisely why social liberalism is here to stay in my view.

Anything can be undone. The problem is, it is not always done at the ballot box. Unsavory as it is, that's the cold hard reality. Leftists won't be happy until that is what their Utopian nightmare brings upon us. Hard times are coming.
 
I firmly believe it is. Do you?


Social Liberalism in the U.S. on the Rise, Fiscal Conservatism Remains Strong | Cato @ Liberty

[h=1]Social Liberalism in the U.S. on the Rise, Fiscal Conservatism Remains Strong[/h]
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The country certainly has the feeling of decline about it and the graph would tend to indicate why. ;)
 
personally, I'd be surprised if any white people remain Democratic voters in 30 years time..
.the party rhetoric is already causing "white flight", and there's no signs that the party cares or has plans to tone it down.



Younger White people and most women will be Democrats. Old White men (A shrinking demographic.) will stick with the GOP until it goes out of business.

Wait and see.




"Better days are coming."
~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
 
Younger White people and most women will be Democrats. Old White men (A shrinking demographic.) will stick with the GOP until it goes out of business.

Wait and see.




"Better days are coming."
~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.

no need to "wait and see"... "white flight" is already being recorded.

that's what happens when you base your entire party on racial identity <shrug>...Democrats should start focusing on ideas and policy that's good for the country rather than whats good only for a few select favored groups...

... or they can continue to shed people from their ranks... it makes me no difference.
 
Anything can be undone. The problem is, it is not always done at the ballot box. Unsavory as it is, that's the cold hard reality. Leftists won't be happy until that is what their Utopian nightmare brings upon us. Hard times are coming.

Total nonsense.

-Colorado passed it's socially liberal legalization of weed by a popular vote that was massively in favor of legalization.

-Most Millennials and even many middle aged Americans are in favor of Gay Marriage nationally as well as other such socially liberal policies such as weed legality.
http://mic.com/articles/85675/one-c...e-has-turned-in-america-to-legalize-marijuana
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If it was put to a popular vote nationally it's likely both weed legalization and Gay Marriage would be legalized, completely contradicting your claims that "There's a conspiratorial Liberal agenda against the masses wishes".

Amendment 64
Use and Regulation of Cannabis
Results
VotesOf total
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Yes
1,383,13955.32%
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No
1,116,89444.68%
Total votes2,500,033100.00%
Voter turnout68.55%
Electorate3,647,082

Colorado Amendment 64 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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