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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Angry old christian white men are dying off, and they aren't being replaced.
    Amen, Hispanics are the fastest rising population and the majority of them vote Democratic left leaning because of the social safety nets, and they are angry about the nasty racism directed towards them by white conservatives..

    Take a look at the 12 election, Hispanics voted A WHOPPING 85% for Obama over Romney..

    Hispanics tend to be younger, and the Democratic party has a pretty strong hold on the young vote..

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or religious beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism. For example, even though it would have zero impact on their lives if the same sex couple up the street were to get legal recognition of their marriage, they are still against it. They want prayer in schools because they want their religious beliefs advanced by public institutions. They want the ten commandments displayed at the courthouse because they want their religious beliefs promoted by the state. It's all authoritarianism.

    Very few authoritarian regimes have not been socially conservative regardless of their politics on other issues. Even the Chinese Communist Party is pretty socially conservative on most issues.

    Very true post.


    Chinese and Russian Communism and German Nazism for instance, while decried by US social conservatives as supposed "Radical Governments", were both actually considered by their national populations at the time to be social conservative ideologies and governments. Most Americans would find that a shocking fact indeed. The hard truth to stomach is Social Conservatism is and always has been the dark path to authoritarianism because social conservatism is inherently authoritarian by its very nature. It's basically oppression defined.

    Such is why Western Europe and ex Eastern Europe Communist nations are so socially Liberal. They know what social conservatism leads to and they've had world wars and genocides in their backyards. They've seen the barbarity of supposed social conservative governments at their height of power revealed to their true nature. Authoritarianism.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Social conservatism is certainly heavily populated with religious tones but it isn't isolated to it.

    It's an inclination. It tends to desire stability, the accumulated knowledge from the past, and gradual change over what it perceives as upheaval and romantic notions of human perfectibility through new modes of thought and action.

    I might not be currently among what people tend to circle as "socially conservative," but I very much am a believer in its tendencies.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I firmly believe it is. Do you?


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    Social Liberalism in the U.S. on the Rise, Fiscal Conservatism Remains Strong

    Nope. I've lived long enough to see it run in cycles. Btw, this is what we thought in the 60s/70s. Didn't take but a decade or two for social conservatism to reassert itself, and in my own generation.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTHUR 1976 View Post
    Amen, Hispanics are the fastest rising population and the majority of them vote Democratic left leaning because of the social safety nets, and they are angry about the nasty racism directed towards them by white conservatives..

    Take a look at the 12 election, Hispanics voted A WHOPPING 85% for Obama over Romney..

    Hispanics tend to be younger, and the Democratic party has a pretty strong hold on the young vote..
    Heh, laughable. That so- called Hispanic majority comes with a twist, right under the surface is a social conservatism that rivals any held by "old white men".

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think it will decline to an extent, but there is always going to be a certain percentage of the population that is socially conservative. Ultimately, Social Conservatism is rooted in an authoritarian personality, and that is not just going to go away.
    both sides of the current political spectrum are


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    Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Heh, laughable. That so- called Hispanic majority comes with a twist, right under the surface is a social conservatism that rivals any held by "old white men".
    Largely true. I would suspect, however, that it is much more....Latin and South American Catholic in its orientation.

    While there is a massive amount of emphasis on the virtues of the family unit as the basic unit of society, hard work and independence, there isn't the nearly the level of antagonism between the individual, their family, and the State. In this respect, their conservatism might be less libertarian than their historic Anglo counterpart. They may tend to be much more supportive of the Welfare state, broadly understood. Of course the general attitude toward the welfare state from many Catholics is that it extends to their principles of helping the poor and the hungry.

    That being said, their religious ties can be very strong. They may continue to have a viewpoint of the neighborhood Church as a vital component to their social network and provider of stability. Many of the bi-partisan attempts to increase government-religious cooperation in the late 90s through the mid 2000s tended to look at Hispanic communities. Whether this impacts their views toward homosexuality, abortion, and so on, I can't quite recall. I wouldn't be surprised if it has, but I also wouldn't be surprised if many had more in common with the Democratic Party's platform of supporting minority communities and their perspectives as a whole.

    The Catholic Church has by itself always been kind of a marvelous wedge in the American political consciousness. It tends to divide itself between the American's traditional understanding of Right and Left wing views. The Latin American and South American variety of Catholicism has especially been interesting because of its political views of poverty and its on again-off again love/hate relationship with Marxist analysis.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Both ends of the political spectrum assert the need for and the right of government to be authoritarian and tell people how to run their lives.

    They just encourage and curtail different things.
    Exactly so.

    and there are people on both ends who subscribe to a social libertarian ideal as well.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I'm pretty sure that from your point of view, I would be considered a member of the Older Generation, but I am in pretty much the same frame of mind as you.

    However, if a Conservative is defined as a person who desires the constraint of government power and reach into the lives of Citizens, states and localities, then the most Conservative position on all social issues is to stop government interference.

    If a Liberal is defined as a person who embraces the reach of government into the lives of the citizens, states and localities, then the most Liberal position is the "award" freedoms to individuals and groups.

    If the government is allowed to make these awards, of course the government is allowed to remove them.

    The freedom to enjoy an award from the authorities is entirely different than having been endowed with an unalienable RIGHT. One is conditional on favoritism while the other is conditional only on drawing breath.
    One can't draw a breath if he's starving to death so economic freedom precedes political freedom in the sequence of freedoms developed during the course of history. Which is why until only recently it was called political economy instead of separately politics or economics.

    Political freedom is no more "awarded" by the "authorities" than is economic freedom "awarded" by the authorities. We the people create and earn each, respectively, always have, always will. This is concomitantly true of social attitudes and values.

    Politics and government are about the distribution of power in the society and who gets to decide on the distribution. Economics is about the wise use of resources, almost always meaning limited resources, and who gets to determine what is wise use. Social attitudes follow to eventually become a central component of the dynamic.

    In Western civilization, the authorities have had increasingly less to say concerning political economy since King John had to sign the Magna Carta. In social terms, society's values began to break radically from the long dark past with the advent of post-industrial society in the late 1960s into the mid 1970s.

    In the Age of Information, social change is occuring radically and rapidly, never to be reversed.

    So the concept of an "award" is not in this vocabulary in any real terms or sense. Everyone is entitled to a living wage regardless of the nature of his/her employment or station in life. The Harvard MBA by the nature of it gets more, much more. And the more religion and other social reactionary institutions and forces try to interpose themselves, the more and the faster they are discarded.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't disagree with that. The students on a college campus that shout down any opposing views are cut from the same cloth as social conservatives.
    Do all social conservatives necessarily have to impose their beliefs on others?

    What of those who choose to live in a social conservative way, but do not feel the need to spread the word?
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