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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's definitely on a permanent decline because most socially conservative principles are based in ignorance and isolation. For instance, opposition to same-sex marriage is based in the false notion that same-sex relationships are harmful and in the isolation anti-SSM people tend have from same-sex couples. As more people become aware of the truth that same-sex relationships are not harmful and as more people interact with same-sex couples, opposition to same-sex marriage can't do anything but decline. The same is true for other staples of social conservatism.


    Social Conservatism does touch on that topic area.

    It also touches on self reliance, self responsibility and self worth.

    In my mind, for the same reasons that self determination of sexual preference is desired, self determination of all personal actions that do not harm others is also desired.

    All forces that abridge the affirmative construction of self are abhorrent.

    So, if a person is made more happy to be in a relationship with a person who shares their gender, that is as as welcome to me as a person who is made more happy to be in a relationship with a community of people who share a common religious affiliation.

    In all cases, the rule of no harm to others is implied. I don't need to see a jackass waving his junk or his cross in my face or in the face of those around me.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what "rooted in an authoritarian personality" means.
    Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or religious beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism. For example, even though it would have zero impact on their lives if the same sex couple up the street were to get legal recognition of their marriage, they are still against it. They want prayer in schools because they want their religious beliefs advanced by public institutions. They want the ten commandments displayed at the courthouse because they want their religious beliefs promoted by the state. It's all authoritarianism.

    Very few authoritarian regimes have not been socially conservative regardless of their politics on other issues. Even the Chinese Communist Party is pretty socially conservative on most issues.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I think in order for people to move towards economic liberty, as you put it, more people would have to feel like they could trust their fellow citizens to not take advantage of them in that environment.


    WC Fields famously said that you can't cheat an honest man.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcpTiqKkePY
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or religious beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism. For example, even though it would have zero impact on their lives if the same sex couple up the street were to get legal recognition of their marriage, they are still against it. They want prayer in schools because they want their religious beliefs advanced by public institutions. They want the ten commandments displayed at the courthouse because they want their religious beliefs promoted by the state. It's all authoritarianism.

    Very few authoritarian regimes have not been socially conservative regardless of their politics on other issues. Even the Chinese Communist Party is pretty socially conservative on most issues.
    Perhaps once authoritarian social conservatism is put to rest, people will focus on authoritarian social liberalism. Cant wait..

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I interpreted it as referring to the very etymology of the word "conservative". What is being conserved when speaking of conservatism is social order, along with all the various institutions and cultural mores associated with it.

    Many people derive comfort from sameness and are threatened by change as an aspect of their personality. These sorts of people will be drawn to conservatism since it reinforces their psychological needs.


    In today's America, much of what "is" is the target of the ire of the Conservatives.

    In my mind, the government is growing at an alarming rate and the regulatory authorities of the various agencies is currently in place and needs to be not just stopped, but regressed.

    Liberalism, on the other hand, is a discipline that never saw an overreach it didn't like as long as that overreach started in the government.

    The two political parties we currently are saddled and cursed with are both in the business of abridging personal rights and expanding Federal Government control of everything.

    The conservative movement as embodied by the TEA Party is dedicated to the devolution of the Central Government strangle hold on our people.

    This in no way asserts the Conservation of the status quo.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So called "social conservatism", i.e., authoritarian government telling people how to run their lives, is, thankfully, on the way out.

    The sooner it is divorced from real conservatism, i.e. limited government and fiscal responsibility, the sooner the latter will see a resurgence in this country and the sooner we'll all be better off.
    Both ends of the political spectrum assert the need for and the right of government to be authoritarian and tell people how to run their lives.

    They just encourage and curtail different things.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or religious beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism. For example, even though it would have zero impact on their lives if the same sex couple up the street were to get legal recognition of their marriage, they are still against it. They want prayer in schools because they want their religious beliefs advanced by public institutions. They want the ten commandments displayed at the courthouse because they want their religious beliefs promoted by the state. It's all authoritarianism.

    Very few authoritarian regimes have not been socially conservative regardless of their politics on other issues. Even the Chinese Communist Party is pretty socially conservative on most issues.


    Most of the examples of Social Conservatism you suggest are in relation to religion.

    Did the Chi-coms endorse a state religion?

    Dod the chi-coms endorse the Gay life style?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or religious beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism. For example, even though it would have zero impact on their lives if the same sex couple up the street were to get legal recognition of their marriage, they are still against it. They want prayer in schools because they want their religious beliefs advanced by public institutions. They want the ten commandments displayed at the courthouse because they want their religious beliefs promoted by the state. It's all authoritarianism.

    Very few authoritarian regimes have not been socially conservative regardless of their politics on other issues. Even the Chinese Communist Party is pretty socially conservative on most issues.
    Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or moral beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism.
    My point is that extremes of ether side is capable of taking away peoples freedoms, in the name of whatever they hold scared!

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or moral beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism.
    My point is that extremes of ether side is capable of taking away peoples freedoms, in the name of whatever they hold scared!
    I don't disagree with that. The students on a college campus that shout down any opposing views are cut from the same cloth as social conservatives.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    American social conservatism is rooted in empty, meaningless identity politics.

    What is 'tradition'? To my mind, America has no traditions. It's far too young a nation to have developed any as yet. This anomie is what in part fuels the pathetic spectacle of the American "values voter" - a clinging-on to the received wisdom of the late 19th century as though it were some eternal Truth handed down from on high.

    Most of us here are of European heritage. Five thousand years ago, our ancestors worshipped anthropomorphic incarnations of natural phenomenon like lightning or the sky. They were doing likewise three thousand years later.

    Christianity is what is anti-traditional. To begin, it is the first human project to lay claim to being "catholic" - that is to say, universal, applicable to all men everywhere and irrespective of history or Tradition. Everything that the Christian conservative hates in contemporary liberalism - its "rootless cosmopolitanism", its internationalism, its pursuit of global redemption - is nothing more than a secularized extrapolation from Christianity.

    Christianity is decadence; Christianity is decline; Christianity is decay. It is the ferment of the ages. There can be no Restoration until it is done away with.

    In European man, this will manifest either as a tendency towards pagan revivalism or an atheism which is similar in its world-perspective to paganism, simply emptied of its metaphysical content. In the African-American, torn from his connections by Muslim and Christian monotheistic slave-traders, it will appear as a return to African syncretic religions, adapted to account for his experiences in the New World. The Asians have less need for this; they alone have remained relatively true to themselves through the passage of dozens of centuries.

    Right-wing conservative 'Traditionalists', who at best look back to 1789, are less than worthless. Do not take me for an Ultramontaine.
    Last edited by Einzige; 05-24-15 at 11:57 AM.

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