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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I firmly believe it is. Do you?


    Social Liberalism in the U.S. on the Rise, Fiscal Conservatism Remains Strong | Cato @ Liberty

    Social Liberalism in the U.S. on the Rise, Fiscal Conservatism Remains Strong

    It's definitely on a permanent decline because most socially conservative principles are based in ignorance and isolation. For instance, opposition to same-sex marriage is based in the false notion that same-sex relationships are harmful and in the isolation anti-SSM people tend have from same-sex couples. As more people become aware of the truth that same-sex relationships are not harmful and as more people interact with same-sex couples, opposition to same-sex marriage can't do anything but decline. The same is true for other staples of social conservatism.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's definitely on a permanent decline because most socially conservative principles are based in ignorance and isolation. For instance, opposition to same-sex marriage is based in the false notion that same-sex relationships are harmful and in the isolation anti-SSM people tend have from same-sex couples. As more people become aware of the truth that same-sex relationships are not harmful and as more people interact with same-sex couples, opposition to same-sex marriage can't do anything but decline. The same is true for other staples of social conservatism.
    The evolution on thinking of the gay issue is entirely in one direction. There is no one, for example, who used to support gay marriage then, upon further reflection, is now opposed. It is a good sign that everyone seems to be moving in the direction of more social liberty. Eventually, you will see an equal movement toward economic liberty and wind up where the majority is socially liberal, fiscally conservative. At least I hope so.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The evolution on thinking of the gay issue is entirely in one direction. There is no one, for example, who used to support gay marriage then, upon further reflection, is now opposed. It is a good sign that everyone seems to be moving in the direction of more social liberty. Eventually, you will see an equal movement toward economic liberty and wind up where the majority is socially liberal, fiscally conservative. At least I hope so.
    I think in order for people to move towards economic liberty, as you put it, more people would have to feel like they could trust their fellow citizens to not take advantage of them in that environment.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's definitely on a permanent decline because most socially conservative principles are based in ignorance and isolation. For instance, opposition to same-sex marriage is based in the false notion that same-sex relationships are harmful and in the isolation anti-SSM people tend have from same-sex couples. As more people become aware of the truth that same-sex relationships are not harmful and as more people interact with same-sex couples, opposition to same-sex marriage can't do anything but decline. The same is true for other staples of social conservatism.


    I agree with the isolation aspect against social conservatism. It's definitely an ideology and way of life that becomes near-impossible once you venture out of your small town, your ethnic enclave, your "comfortable pond of familiarity". Social Conservatism clearly doesn't have good shelf life with the advent of cell phones, internet and social media. You come to realize all social conservatism really is or ever was is just that, isolation from the greater world and the ability to understand and work with it.


    The reactions by social conservatives to Flu Shots, vaccinations, religion, internet, millennials, we aren't witnessing a revival among social conservatives. We're witnessing the dying gasps of radicalism.




    In that sense I pity social conservatives because if you truly think on it, social conservatives are more socially and politically isolated in America today than they have ever been in American history. I've seen it first hand. Social Conservatives in small towns have no ability to escape the torrential onset of social liberalism. Their daughters are all in skin-tight Yoga pants made by California/NYC Liberal designers. Their kids all have the dreaded "Socialistic Apple company" iPhone and laptops.

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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Social conservatism, yes. But I think today's younger crop of Republicans will eventually rebrand the conservative movement into one that focuses less on social issues, relegating it to more of a "keep it to yourself" mentality.

    Our nation faces much more pressing issues than who gays can marry and who you're having sex with. And that point is lost on older generations. Us younger folk have bigger fish to fry.
    I'm pretty sure that from your point of view, I would be considered a member of the Older Generation, but I am in pretty much the same frame of mind as you.

    However, if a Conservative is defined as a person who desires the constraint of government power and reach into the lives of Citizens, states and localities, then the most Conservative position on all social issues is to stop government interference.

    If a Liberal is defined as a person who embraces the reach of government into the lives of the citizens, states and localities, then the most Liberal position is the "award" freedoms to individuals and groups.

    If the government is allowed to make these awards, of course the government is allowed to remove them.

    The freedom to enjoy an award from the authorities is entirely different than having been endowed with an unalienable RIGHT. One is conditional on favoritism while the other is conditional only on drawing breath.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think it will decline to an extent, but there is always going to be a certain percentage of the population that is socially conservative. Ultimately, Social Conservatism is rooted in an authoritarian personality, and that is not just going to go away.
    I'm not sure I understand what "rooted in an authoritarian personality" means.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many weak-minded people need a system of order to be imposed upon them. some others cannot handle the fact that some questions cannot be answered. Social conservatism appeals to both types


    Social Conservatism seems to rest primarily on the Religious.

    Religion demands that many things be accepted only on the basis of faith which is by definition questions that cannot be answered.

    Is not a system of order that demands that all live peacefully and be allowed to practice all personal freedoms also a system of order?
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    It's a fascinating topic to me primarily because Americans ancestral homeland, Western Europe, has already among its political Conservatives been socially liberal politically for the last few decades. American Conservatives are simply "behind" European conservatives on social issues is the truth of the matter. The Irish gay vote was a perfect example of that (Among so many other aspects of European social liberalism as well). It's interesting to me always to hear an American conservative person be "shocked" about European conservatives social liberalism when ironically that's the exact route American conservatism is headed.

    (Much to the dismay of your average US social conservative minded person).


    The religious component of Social Conservatism in the USA is a result of the Republican Party cobbling together a coalition.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what "rooted in an authoritarian personality" means.
    I interpreted it as referring to the very etymology of the word "conservative". What is being conserved when speaking of conservatism is social order, along with all the various institutions and cultural mores associated with it.

    Many people derive comfort from sameness and are threatened by change as an aspect of their personality. These sorts of people will be drawn to conservatism since it reinforces their psychological needs.
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    Re: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

    So called "social conservatism", i.e., authoritarian government telling people how to run their lives, is, thankfully, on the way out.

    The sooner it is divorced from real conservatism, i.e. limited government and fiscal responsibility, the sooner the latter will see a resurgence in this country and the sooner we'll all be better off.
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