Thread: Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

Originally Posted by beefheart

Lame response.

You're one to talk.

Originally Posted by shrubnose

Come back and tell us all about that about 30 years from now after the massive demographic change that's coming at the GOP hits full force like a tidal wave and reduces the GOP to a minor, regional, party.

The clock is ticking.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

I don't doubt what you say. That's not what my comment was addressing.

Given what we know about Authoritarian Conservatives, I would put less stock in their studies as suggesting they are victimized. The fact that they are authoritarians means they try to control information, isolate others from free exchange of information, and will manipulate facts, because they believe they are absolutely right. They are less likely to change opinions and abandon ideas when proven wrong.

I agree, social science is going to be a more attractive field to liberals, because it requires a questioning the established way of doing things, why society is organized the way it is, and what is a better way of socializing with each other. That is the opposite of a conservative philosophy of traditionalism and resisting change.

As far as Libertarians, they tend to be less authoritarian than social conservatives and value individual rights over religious beliefs. In college, I saw many *true Libertarians discussing philosophy with left leaning anarchists. They have overlapping values. Libertarians and mainstream Liberals are more likely going to get along versus social conservatives.


*I saw true Libertarians, because I think a lot of unhappy neoconservative, social conservative, and establishment republicans are calling themselves Libertarians now, because they are unhappy with the GOP.

Originally Posted by Thrilla

it's automatically biased against conservatives because the entire field of study is stocked with liberals... literally.


I've read a few studies before.... they read as a bunch of liberals concocting the many ways they feel conservatives are inferior people or somehow inherently flawed, without fail.
(thank god they don't do many studies on libertarians....no telling how many ways liberals feel we are inferior or somehow inherently flawed.)

when you formulate a closely held tribal-moral cult with a set of sacred values...you'll not find much disagreement, and you'll certain find confirmation bias abounding.

Originally Posted by Ryan5

Why I firmly believe it is permanent is due to the legal ramifications of gay marriage and states legalizing weed such as in Colorado. You can't turn back the courts. You can't establish legality and legal legitimacy then undo it. Law doesn't work that way. You've already created legal economies such as in Colorado, such as in states with gay marriage, where those legal economies will be almost impossible to undo as they become more tiered and stable. Anti-weed Colorado legislators have already said it's now impossible for weed to ever be illegal in Colorado and that the vote of legalization would always pass now in that state if not solely for economic and tax reasons. The same is true of gay marriage in states where it's legal.

You can't "undo legalized social liberalism" from the very mouths of defeated social conservatives in said states and that's precisely why social liberalism is here to stay in my view.

Anything can be undone. The problem is, it is not always done at the ballot box. Unsavory as it is, that's the cold hard reality. Leftists won't be happy until that is what their Utopian nightmare brings upon us. Hard times are coming.

Originally Posted by Ryan5

I firmly believe it is. Do you?


Social Liberalism in the U.S. on the Rise, Fiscal Conservatism Remains Strong | Cato @ Liberty

Social Liberalism in the U.S. on the Rise, Fiscal Conservatism Remains Strong

The country certainly has the feeling of decline about it and the graph would tend to indicate why.

Originally Posted by Thrilla

personally, I'd be surprised if any white people remain Democratic voters in 30 years time..

.the party rhetoric is already causing "white flight", and there's no signs that the party cares or has plans to tone it down.

Younger White people and most women will be Democrats. Old White men (A shrinking demographic.) will stick with the GOP until it goes out of business.

Wait and see.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.

Originally Posted by shrubnose

Younger White people and most women will be Democrats. Old White men (A shrinking demographic.) will stick with the GOP until it goes out of business.

Wait and see.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.

no need to "wait and see"... "white flight" is already being recorded.

that's what happens when you base your entire party on racial identity <shrug>...Democrats should start focusing on ideas and policy that's good for the country rather than whats good only for a few select favored groups...

... or they can continue to shed people from their ranks... it makes me no difference.

Originally Posted by beefheart

And a witty retort, you are on fire today.

Lol.