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Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

Was Ronald Reagan the best President of the all times?

  • I'm a right leaning American, yes

    Votes: 2 2.2%
  • I'm a right leaning American, yes and the United Statss needs a President like him now

    Votes: 9 9.9%
  • I'm a left leaning American, yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'm a left leaning American, yes and the United States needs a President like him now

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • I'm a right leaning American, no

    Votes: 23 25.3%
  • I'm a left leaning American, no

    Votes: 41 45.1%
  • I'm not from America, yes

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • I'm not from America, no

    Votes: 14 15.4%

  • Total voters
    91
No, while Reagan got a tax cut to help the country out of the Carter mess, the Congress was in control of Democrats. The president suggests a budget but all revenue bills are initiated in the House, which I believe at the time was run by Tip O'Neil. The tax cut brought in increasing revenue and congress started to spend it. Next, congress increased taxes and they were raised several times during the Reagan years. If not for congress, the economy in the 80's would have looked much different.

From Wiki:

Critics claim the tax cuts worsened the deficits in the budget of the United States government. Reagan supporters credit them with helping the 1980s economic expansion[6] that eventually lowered the deficits. After peaking in 1986 at $221 billion the deficit fell to $152 billion by 1989.[7] Supporters of the tax cuts also argue, using the Laffer curve, tax cuts increased economic growth and government revenue. This is hotly disputed—critics contend that, although government income tax receipts did rise, it was due to economic growth, not tax cuts, and would have risen more if the tax cuts had not occurred; the Office of Tax Analysis estimates that the act lowered federal income tax revenue by 13% relative to where it would have been in the bill's absence.[8]
 
Objective Voice said:
Since Andrew Jackson, America has always run deficits but until the Reagan-era the deficits was kept relatively under control. But beginning in 1983, the deficit began to explode! History has already shown that the trend that "deficits don't matter" truly began under Reagan's watch.

Middleground said:
Is that because of the tax cuts to the very wealthy? You know, the money that was supposed to tickle down?

No, while Reagan got a tax cut to help the country out of the Carter mess, the [because] Congress was in control of Democrats. The president suggests a budget but all revenue bills are initiated in the House, which I believe at the time was run by Tip O'Neil. The tax cut brought in increasing revenue and congress started to spend it. Next, congress increased taxes and they were raised several times during the Reagan years. If not for congress, the economy in the 80's would have looked much different.

Isn't it funny...whenever anyone starts in on Reagan and speaks about the deficit, the typical defense is "the Democrat controlled Congress is to blame". Reagan had veto power just like any other president before him or since. So, if he disagreed with the budget as presented, he could have used his veto power and forced Congress to either revised it or over-ride him. But he didn't and he wouldn't have where any of the tax reform/spending bills that came before him were concerned. Why? Because they still contained (marginal) tax cuts to the wealthy which fit right in line with the supply-side economics mantra Conservatives ran on.
 
Isn't it funny...whenever anyone starts in on Reagan and speaks about the deficit, the typical defense is "the Democrat controlled Congress is to blame". Reagan had veto power just like any other president before him or since. So, if he disagreed with the budget as presented, he could have used his veto power and forced Congress to either revised it or over-ride him. But he didn't and he wouldn't have where any of the tax reform/spending bills that came before him were concerned. Why? Because they still contained (marginal) tax cuts to the wealthy which fit right in line with the supply-side economics mantra Conservatives ran on.

I'm going to assume you know how legislation is passed. When the executive and legislative clash one thing happens but it often takes different paths. Clinton was dragged into a balanced budget by a government shutdown. Reagan on the other hand formed a working relationship with Tip O'Neil and they traded ideas on legislation. Democrats under Obama didn't even bother to pass budgets and instead relied on endless debt ceiling raises resulting in record deficits. By the end of his time in office Obama will have spent as much as all former presidents combined. Bitch about that.
 
He sold arms to Iran, raised taxes a whopping 11 times during his time, he also DIDN'T DO JACK **** TO RETALIATE against the 1983 bombing which killed 241 servicemen, he also tripled the federal budget deficit..

Unemployment soared after Reagans, 1981 tax cuts, resulting in 11% unemployment in 1982-1983, which was higher than any point during the Obama Presidency..

Reagan also granted Amnesty to 3 million illegal HIspanics, then they had kids, etc, and now were here today, LOL..Hispanics will soon surpass whites in population, which is peachy for me..

Reagan helped create the Taliban, and it's chief Bin Laden, by fighting a proxy war against the Soviets, by training arming, and equipping and funding Islamist Mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan, he also funneled billions and top secret intelligence to these fighters thru the Pakistani intelligence service..

He only mentioned the word Aids once in public during his Presidency, when the disease spread so rapidly thru 1981-1989 yea his entire Presidency..

Income inequality exploded during his tenure, which explains why so many Millions receive welfare today, simply because so many work 35-40 hours a week at Wal Mart and other slave wage jobs, but need food stamps because by the time they pay their rent , no money is left..

The only silver lining here is Jimmy Carter is still alive and doing well considering his age, and Reagan is worm food, fitting since he was a Maggot, hypocrite who was once in a union, but hated unions in office, and was a whore for Corporations, Alzheimer's was the perfect disease for him, considering he was so dense in office, KARMA bit him in the ass, LOL..
 
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He sold arms to Iran, raised taxes a whopping 11 times during his time, he also DIDN'T DO JACK **** TO RETALIATE against the 1983 bombing which killed 241 servicemen, he also tripled the federal budget deficit..

Unemployment soared after Reagans, 1981 tax cuts, resulting in 11% unemployment in 1982-1983, which was higher than any point during the Obama Presidency..

Reagan also granted Amnesty to 3 million illegal HIspanics, then they had kids, etc, and now were here today, LOL..Hispanics will soon surpass whites in population, which is peachy for me..

Reagan helped create the Taliban, and it's chief Bin Laden, by fighting a proxy war against the Soviets, by training arming, and equipping and funding Islamist Mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan, he also funneled billions and top secret intelligence to these fighters thru the Pakistani intelligence service..

He only mentioned the word Aids once in public during his Presidency, when the disease spread so rapidly thru 1981-1989 yea his entire Presidency..

Income inequality exploded during his tenure, which explains why so many Millions receive welfare today, simply because so many work 35-40 hours a week at Wal Mart and other slave wage jobs, but need food stamps because by the time they pay their rent , no money is left..

The only silver lining here is Jimmy Carter is still alive and doing well considering his age, and Reagan is worm food, fitting since he was a Maggot, hypocrite who was once in a union, but hated unions in office, and was a whore for Corporations, Alzheimer's was the perfect disease for him, considering he was so dense in office, KARMA bit him in the ass, LOL..
Wow. One would think that you'd consider half that stuff being a model President, you being a "progressive" and all.
 
I'm going to assume you know how legislation is passed. When the executive and legislative clash one thing happens but it often takes different paths. Clinton was dragged into a balanced budget by a government shutdown. Reagan on the other hand formed a working relationship with Tip O'Neil and they traded ideas on legislation. Democrats under Obama didn't even bother to pass budgets and instead relied on endless debt ceiling raises resulting in record deficits. By the end of his time in office Obama will have spent as much as all former presidents combined. Bitch about that.

LOL Is that calculation adjusted for inflation? Let's see a link for it. There's no denying that Obama has spent more that any President before him......The same can be said of EVERY President since Herbert Hoover. A better judge of a Presidents "thriftyness" is how much he has grown the budget, don't you think? Obama has grown Govt. by a lower % than ANY President since Herbert Hoover when adjusted for inflation.

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Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?
 
LOL Is that calculation adjusted for inflation? Let's see a link for it. There's no denying that Obama has spent more that any President before him......The same can be said of EVERY President since Herbert Hoover. A better judge of a Presidents "thriftyness" is how much he has grown the budget, don't you think? Obama has grown Govt. by a lower % than ANY President since Herbert Hoover when adjusted for inflation.

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Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?

Here is an interesting page:
Debt-to-GDP ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is important to remember that a lot of the numbers are generated from activity in years past.
 
No, while Reagan got a tax cut to help the country out of the Carter mess, the Congress was in control of Democrats. The president suggests a budget but all revenue bills are initiated in the House, which I believe at the time was run by Tip O'Neil. The tax cut brought in increasing revenue and congress started to spend it. Next, congress increased taxes and they were raised several times during the Reagan years. If not for congress, the economy in the 80's would have looked much different.

Agreed, Reagan got the tax cuts, but reducing spending was much more difficult with a democrat congress.
 
Which negates your previous comment...





Think about what you're saying here. If the rich have the means to take advantage of the tax code, how are they being manipulated by that which helps them prosper?

Where do I write that the government is manipulating the rich. Can you read English?
 
Wow. One would think that you'd consider half that stuff being a model President, you being a "progressive" and all.

Yea i loved the fact that he gave 3 Million Mexicans amnesty since i am part Latino:lamo, THAT MEANS MILLIONS MORE OF LATINO DEMOCRATIC VOTERS!! LOL!!:applaud..

Rather have them then those old white fogy's who vote for the Repugs, and the Tea Maggots..

Thats really the only thing i liked about Reagan, the fact that he flooded the country with Hispanics, which turned California blue forever..:lamo
 
Wasn't Reagan the President that supported Saddam when he was gassing the Kurds. Wasn't he the Prseident that also sold arms to Iran. Do people still want someone like him for President?
 
In 1984 Ronald Reagan got the best result in history of the United Staates Of America. The Reaganomics were popular all around the world. Do you think that he was the greatest President of the United States?
Regan was a gun banner and that makes him a piece of **** to my eyes.
 
Regan was a gun banner and that makes him a piece of **** to my eyes.

heh, that's another strike against "Mr. Conservative".

For a guy who most conservatives look up to as the "model conservative", it's amazing how many un-conservative things he did.
 
heh, that's another strike against "Mr. Conservative".

For a guy who most conservatives look up to as the "model conservative", it's amazing how many un-conservative things he did.
Most of Regan's 'glory' is simply due to how his presidency contrasted against the backdrop of Carter.
 
LOL Is that calculation adjusted for inflation? Let's see a link for it. There's no denying that Obama has spent more that any President before him......The same can be said of EVERY President since Herbert Hoover. A better judge of a Presidents "thriftyness" is how much he has grown the budget, don't you think? Obama has grown Govt. by a lower % than ANY President since Herbert Hoover when adjusted for inflation.

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Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?


Once more proving that finding a website that agrees with you is not research.

Rick Ungar Is Wrong: Obama Is The Biggest Spender In World History - Forbes
 
Reagan had the best Presidential personality of those who have come along in my lifetime. However, when he eliminated the top tax brackets, from 93 per cent down to about 35 per cent, in the name of tax "simplification" (this was before anyone thought to use the term 'class warfare'), he began an era that continues through the present. His actions have greatly widened a gap between the ultra-rich and everyone else. It will take another Teddy Roosevelt to reverse Reagan's success.
 
LOL Is that calculation adjusted for inflation? Let's see a link for it. There's no denying that Obama has spent more that any President before him......The same can be said of EVERY President since Herbert Hoover. A better judge of a Presidents "thriftyness" is how much he has grown the budget, don't you think? Obama has grown Govt. by a lower % than ANY President since Herbert Hoover when adjusted for inflation.

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Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?
It's been awhile since I've seen that chart, but if I remember correctly it was proven to be misleading. What it is measuring is the amount of increase in spending, not any perceived thriftiness. Considering that spending was already absurdly high when Obama took office means that anything other than negative numbers puts him right in with all the others. So no, while he didn't increase spending all that much, he kept it there... which is NOT something that should be celebrated.
 
It's been awhile since I've seen that chart, but if I remember correctly it was proven to be misleading. What it is measuring is the amount of increase in spending, not any perceived thriftiness. Considering that spending was already absurdly high when Obama took office means that anything other than negative numbers puts him right in with all the others. So no, while he didn't increase spending all that much, he kept it there... which is NOT something that should be celebrated.

If there is inflation and population growth, (ceteris paribus) constant nominal spending levels can not support sustained equivalent services.
 
Obama inherited Bush's wars, Bush's tax cuts and Bush's recession. Of course there was going to be negative numbers and deficits.

****, 1 of the dumbest things Bush did was cut taxes while 2 wars were going on. You're asking for deficits and debt when you do that. But Cheney once said 'deficits don't matter'. So that was what Bush and his admin was going with.
 
First President of my lifetime. So this is how he ranks:

1) Bill Clinton (butt naked) (google "Bill Clinton buttnaked" and go to videos. Great stuff.)
2) -TIE- Obama and Reagan
3) Bush Sr.
4) Bush Jr.
 
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