View Poll Results: Was Ronald Reagan the best President of the all times?

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    No, while Reagan got a tax cut to help the country out of the Carter mess, the Congress was in control of Democrats. The president suggests a budget but all revenue bills are initiated in the House, which I believe at the time was run by Tip O'Neil. The tax cut brought in increasing revenue and congress started to spend it. Next, congress increased taxes and they were raised several times during the Reagan years. If not for congress, the economy in the 80's would have looked much different.
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    Critics claim the tax cuts worsened the deficits in the budget of the United States government. Reagan supporters credit them with helping the 1980s economic expansion[6] that eventually lowered the deficits. After peaking in 1986 at $221 billion the deficit fell to $152 billion by 1989.[7] Supporters of the tax cuts also argue, using the Laffer curve, tax cuts increased economic growth and government revenue. This is hotly disputed—critics contend that, although government income tax receipts did rise, it was due to economic growth, not tax cuts, and would have risen more if the tax cuts had not occurred; the Office of Tax Analysis estimates that the act lowered federal income tax revenue by 13% relative to where it would have been in the bill's absence.[8]
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice
    Since Andrew Jackson, America has always run deficits but until the Reagan-era the deficits was kept relatively under control. But beginning in 1983, the deficit began to explode! History has already shown that the trend that "deficits don't matter" truly began under Reagan's watch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground
    Is that because of the tax cuts to the very wealthy? You know, the money that was supposed to tickle down?
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    No, while Reagan got a tax cut to help the country out of the Carter mess, the [because] Congress was in control of Democrats. The president suggests a budget but all revenue bills are initiated in the House, which I believe at the time was run by Tip O'Neil. The tax cut brought in increasing revenue and congress started to spend it. Next, congress increased taxes and they were raised several times during the Reagan years. If not for congress, the economy in the 80's would have looked much different.
    Isn't it funny...whenever anyone starts in on Reagan and speaks about the deficit, the typical defense is "the Democrat controlled Congress is to blame". Reagan had veto power just like any other president before him or since. So, if he disagreed with the budget as presented, he could have used his veto power and forced Congress to either revised it or over-ride him. But he didn't and he wouldn't have where any of the tax reform/spending bills that came before him were concerned. Why? Because they still contained (marginal) tax cuts to the wealthy which fit right in line with the supply-side economics mantra Conservatives ran on.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
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    Check back in a couple days. I'll edit WIKI and you can quote me. It's not reliable.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Isn't it funny...whenever anyone starts in on Reagan and speaks about the deficit, the typical defense is "the Democrat controlled Congress is to blame". Reagan had veto power just like any other president before him or since. So, if he disagreed with the budget as presented, he could have used his veto power and forced Congress to either revised it or over-ride him. But he didn't and he wouldn't have where any of the tax reform/spending bills that came before him were concerned. Why? Because they still contained (marginal) tax cuts to the wealthy which fit right in line with the supply-side economics mantra Conservatives ran on.
    I'm going to assume you know how legislation is passed. When the executive and legislative clash one thing happens but it often takes different paths. Clinton was dragged into a balanced budget by a government shutdown. Reagan on the other hand formed a working relationship with Tip O'Neil and they traded ideas on legislation. Democrats under Obama didn't even bother to pass budgets and instead relied on endless debt ceiling raises resulting in record deficits. By the end of his time in office Obama will have spent as much as all former presidents combined. Bitch about that.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    He sold arms to Iran, raised taxes a whopping 11 times during his time, he also DIDN'T DO JACK **** TO RETALIATE against the 1983 bombing which killed 241 servicemen, he also tripled the federal budget deficit..

    Unemployment soared after Reagans, 1981 tax cuts, resulting in 11% unemployment in 1982-1983, which was higher than any point during the Obama Presidency..

    Reagan also granted Amnesty to 3 million illegal HIspanics, then they had kids, etc, and now were here today, LOL..Hispanics will soon surpass whites in population, which is peachy for me..

    Reagan helped create the Taliban, and it's chief Bin Laden, by fighting a proxy war against the Soviets, by training arming, and equipping and funding Islamist Mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan, he also funneled billions and top secret intelligence to these fighters thru the Pakistani intelligence service..

    He only mentioned the word Aids once in public during his Presidency, when the disease spread so rapidly thru 1981-1989 yea his entire Presidency..

    Income inequality exploded during his tenure, which explains why so many Millions receive welfare today, simply because so many work 35-40 hours a week at Wal Mart and other slave wage jobs, but need food stamps because by the time they pay their rent , no money is left..

    The only silver lining here is Jimmy Carter is still alive and doing well considering his age, and Reagan is worm food, fitting since he was a Maggot, hypocrite who was once in a union, but hated unions in office, and was a whore for Corporations, Alzheimer's was the perfect disease for him, considering he was so dense in office, KARMA bit him in the ass, LOL..
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTHUR 1976 View Post
    He sold arms to Iran, raised taxes a whopping 11 times during his time, he also DIDN'T DO JACK **** TO RETALIATE against the 1983 bombing which killed 241 servicemen, he also tripled the federal budget deficit..

    Unemployment soared after Reagans, 1981 tax cuts, resulting in 11% unemployment in 1982-1983, which was higher than any point during the Obama Presidency..

    Reagan also granted Amnesty to 3 million illegal HIspanics, then they had kids, etc, and now were here today, LOL..Hispanics will soon surpass whites in population, which is peachy for me..

    Reagan helped create the Taliban, and it's chief Bin Laden, by fighting a proxy war against the Soviets, by training arming, and equipping and funding Islamist Mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan, he also funneled billions and top secret intelligence to these fighters thru the Pakistani intelligence service..

    He only mentioned the word Aids once in public during his Presidency, when the disease spread so rapidly thru 1981-1989 yea his entire Presidency..

    Income inequality exploded during his tenure, which explains why so many Millions receive welfare today, simply because so many work 35-40 hours a week at Wal Mart and other slave wage jobs, but need food stamps because by the time they pay their rent , no money is left..

    The only silver lining here is Jimmy Carter is still alive and doing well considering his age, and Reagan is worm food, fitting since he was a Maggot, hypocrite who was once in a union, but hated unions in office, and was a whore for Corporations, Alzheimer's was the perfect disease for him, considering he was so dense in office, KARMA bit him in the ass, LOL..
    Wow. One would think that you'd consider half that stuff being a model President, you being a "progressive" and all.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I'm going to assume you know how legislation is passed. When the executive and legislative clash one thing happens but it often takes different paths. Clinton was dragged into a balanced budget by a government shutdown. Reagan on the other hand formed a working relationship with Tip O'Neil and they traded ideas on legislation. Democrats under Obama didn't even bother to pass budgets and instead relied on endless debt ceiling raises resulting in record deficits. By the end of his time in office Obama will have spent as much as all former presidents combined. Bitch about that.
    LOL Is that calculation adjusted for inflation? Let's see a link for it. There's no denying that Obama has spent more that any President before him......The same can be said of EVERY President since Herbert Hoover. A better judge of a Presidents "thriftyness" is how much he has grown the budget, don't you think? Obama has grown Govt. by a lower % than ANY President since Herbert Hoover when adjusted for inflation.



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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL Is that calculation adjusted for inflation? Let's see a link for it. There's no denying that Obama has spent more that any President before him......The same can be said of EVERY President since Herbert Hoover. A better judge of a Presidents "thriftyness" is how much he has grown the budget, don't you think? Obama has grown Govt. by a lower % than ANY President since Herbert Hoover when adjusted for inflation.



    Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?
    Here is an interesting page:
    Debt-to-GDP ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It is important to remember that a lot of the numbers are generated from activity in years past.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    No, while Reagan got a tax cut to help the country out of the Carter mess, the Congress was in control of Democrats. The president suggests a budget but all revenue bills are initiated in the House, which I believe at the time was run by Tip O'Neil. The tax cut brought in increasing revenue and congress started to spend it. Next, congress increased taxes and they were raised several times during the Reagan years. If not for congress, the economy in the 80's would have looked much different.
    Agreed, Reagan got the tax cuts, but reducing spending was much more difficult with a democrat congress.

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