View Poll Results: Was Ronald Reagan the best President of the all times?

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    9 9.89%
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Response is an english word meaning to respond or in other words after being attacked at Khobar Towers, what would have been the appropriate action, with the emphasis on after.

    Your answer twice now to the question about a response to Khobar was to prepare prior to the attack. Well, that's not a response, that's hindsight. So, let me try this once more.

    Imagine you are president and despite your best forethought, an attack against our sleeping military happened in Lebanon. You are notified. It's a terrible tragedy. What do you do next. Please understand, playing golf is not a response.
    What difference does it make? They are all dead regardless of hindsight.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    What do you call the system where individuals were able to trade for goods and services for thousands of years? Capitalism is not a feudal system made up of owners and workers. It's an economic system where people can monetize their labor and trade that money for goods and services which the individual believes improves or sustains their lives. All socialist societies rely on capitalism. All communist societies have failed and now rely on capitalism to supplant their governments economically.

    Your comment about socialism and commerce makes no sense.

    My point about Startrek was to point out that you are living in somewhat of a fantasy land.
    You are intent on mixing capitalism with commerce. They are not the same thing. Capitalism is a kind of commerce, and really more about power than economics.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What difference does it make? They are all dead regardless of hindsight.
    Hillary, is that you?
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You are intent on mixing capitalism with commerce. They are not the same thing. Capitalism is a kind of commerce, and really more about power than economics.
    Capitalism involves commerce, it fact capitalism describes commerce. Please explain how they are separate. I think you need to go to a dictionary. Here's what Websters has to say:
    : a way of organizing an economy so that the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) are owned by individual people and companies rather than by the government
    I have no Idea what you're talking about.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Most of the Reagan greatness is a Myth created by the right. If you really look at his time in office he was nothing more than an actor Pres, not an acting Pres. He should have been impeached like Nixon, & Nixon was a better pres than Reagan. He left office a befuddled, disgraced old man, who never had to face up to his crimes.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I agree with you in principle per the highlights above, but the reality over the last 35 or so years is quite different.

    The "production society" now belongs to China, not the U.S. The "economic system" you speak of largely remains this bridge between Wall Street and the Federal Reserve with all those millions of financial transactions taking place by consumers. Unfortunately, consumers on Main Street who are true "producers" of things aren't sharing in this economic system as lavishly as we should. Moreover, if we're being honest hedge fund managers on Wall Street don't produce anything and yet they are today's Captian's of Industry because they move alot of money throughout this vast economic system.

    I don't begrudge anyone of wealth. Far from it; I applaud them! But our economy works in ways that are far different from how many people perceive it to work. I recommend you watch this 30-minute video to gain more insight into how our economy works. It's not all about producing goods and services. It's really about how effective we are at moving money around. The more hands that touch those dollars, the better our economy functions.
    Capitalism has not changed. Certain governments have applied adaptations of capitalism. China's version allows some private ownership of business but only as a private public partnership. Russia is allowing private property and some individual capitalism but on balance the government still owns a major share of the means of production.

    One thing that always makes me wonder. How does the existence of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet affect your ability to live an independent life?

    Edit, looked at the vid. It's simplistic but explains the boom and bust of the Keynsians.
    Last edited by sawdust; 05-21-15 at 04:20 PM.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and when you add in his elimination of the fairness doctrine which resulted in the 24/7 domination of the airwaves and his viciously anti-union policies which gutted the ability of working stiffs to a fair shake, I would go so far as to say that this class warfare was quite by design. It may have not been HIS idea, necessarily, as it was the result of Heritage think tank machinations, but it certainly had quite the destructive effect on the notion that America's greatness lied in it being a middle class country.

    The great Teddy Roosevelt took on the robber barons. Reagan ushered in a new era for them.
    I don't quite remember all of the details back then, but wasn't this the beginning of the first Free Trade agreement? Seems it was the beginning of all manufacturing jobs getting shipped to countries that paid their workers a lot less. I think the thinking was that American were consumers, and this would lower prices on goods which, in turn, would keep more money in Americans' pockets? Well we all know know that there have been some incredibly disastrous effects.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Since Andrew Jackson, America has always run deficits but until the Reagan-era the deficits was kept relatively under control. But beginning in 1983, the deficit began to explode! History has already shown that the trend that "deficits don't matter" truly began under Reagan's watch.
    Is that because of the tax cuts to the very wealthy? You know, the money that was supposed to tickle down?
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Is that because of the tax cuts to the very wealthy? You know, the money that was supposed to tickle down?
    Damn, Middleground -- you know how excited I get every time you start to trickle.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Is that because of the tax cuts to the very wealthy? You know, the money that was supposed to tickle down?
    No, while Reagan got a tax cut to help the country out of the Carter mess, the Congress was in control of Democrats. The president suggests a budget but all revenue bills are initiated in the House, which I believe at the time was run by Tip O'Neil. The tax cut brought in increasing revenue and congress started to spend it. Next, congress increased taxes and they were raised several times during the Reagan years. If not for congress, the economy in the 80's would have looked much different.
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