View Poll Results: Was Ronald Reagan the best President of the all times?

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  • I'm a right leaning American, yes

    2 2.20%
  • I'm a right leaning American, yes and the United Statss needs a President like him now

    9 9.89%
  • I'm a left leaning American, yes

    0 0%
  • I'm a left leaning American, yes and the United States needs a President like him now

    1 1.10%
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    23 25.27%
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    41 45.05%
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    1 1.10%
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think there are only two post-war POTUS (plural: POTII?) that left the country stronger when they left office than when they took it: Eisenhower and Clinton.
    Other than the deficit, do you think people will eventually see Obama this way?

    Other than Reagan, I can't think of another President who had so much to deal with from Day-1 of assuming office and (so far) has turned things around (modestly anyway).
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    "The Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) was a proposed missile defence system intended to protect the United States from attack by ballistic strategic nuclear weapons (Intercontinental ballistic missiles and Submarine-launched ballistic missiles). The system, which was to combine ground-based units and orbital deployment platforms, was first publicly announced by President Ronald Reagan on 23 March 1983......The ambitious initiative was widely criticized as being unrealistic, even unscientific, as well as for threatening to destabilize MAD and re-ignite "an offensive arms race"...the concept for the space-based portion was to use lasers to shoot down incoming Soviet intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) armed with nuclear warheads. Nobel Prize-winning physicist Hans Bethe went to Livermore in February 1983 for a two-day briefing on the X-ray laser, and "Although impressed with its scientific novelty, Bethe went away highly skeptical it would contribute anything to the nation's defense."[14] Frances Fitzgerald claimed that Reagan may also have been inspired to create SDI by a fictional secret weapon, a ray that can paralyze electrical currents, in Murder in the Air, a movie he made in 1940...Physicist Hans Bethe, who worked with Edward Teller on both the atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb at Los Alamos, claimed a laser defense shield was unfeasible. He said that a defensive system was costly and difficult to build yet simple to destroy, and claimed that the Soviets could easily use thousands of decoys to overwhelm it during a nuclear attack....On June 28, 1985, David Lorge Parnas resigned from SDIO's Panel on Computing in Support of Battle Management, arguing in eight short papers that the software required by the Strategic Defense Initiative could never be made to be trustworthy and that such a system would inevitably be unreliable and constitute a menace to humanity in its own right.[78] Parnas said he joined the panel with the desire to make nuclear weapons "impotent and obsolete" but soon concluded that the concept was "a fraud"....In his 1991 State of the Union Address George H. W. Bush shifted the focus of SDI from defense of North America against large scale strikes to a system focusing on theater missile defense called Global Protection Against Limited Strikes (GPALS)"
    Strategic Defense Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Reagan wasted billions of dollars and great effort on his unrealistic vision of using defense technology that was clearly not ready for prime time and would have created great political instability internationally if it had worked.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    An appropriate response would to not be blindsided by Hezbollah. It was a stupid move all around. One of many, here's another.



    The Irony is that Reagan was also arming Iran in his deal for the hostages.
    Response is an english word meaning to respond or in other words after being attacked at Khobar Towers, what would have been the appropriate action, with the emphasis on after.

    Your answer twice now to the question about a response to Khobar was to prepare prior to the attack. Well, that's not a response, that's hindsight. So, let me try this once more.

    Imagine you are president and despite your best forethought, an attack against our sleeping military happened in Lebanon. You are notified. It's a terrible tragedy. What do you do next. Please understand, playing golf is not a response.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Actually, Nancy was the best president of all.
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    I'm guessing history will prove Michelle has her beat.
    Hilarious!
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConsvLiberal View Post
    And who will be that?
    the closest comparison is .... Obama.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Other than the deficit, do you think people will eventually see Obama this way?

    Other than Reagan, I can't think of another President who had so much to deal with from Day-1 of assuming office and (so far) has turned things around (modestly anyway).
    I'd say the deficit that Obama was left with was arguably as difficult an issue to deal as those which faced Reagan. His were diplomatic, Obama's economic so admittedly difficult to compare. Obama has not handled his diplomatic issues well, I'll give you that.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConsvLiberal View Post
    That is interesting. When you speak with the conservative Republicans, a lot of them find Ronald Reagan was the best President in the 20th and 21t century.
    Well, of course they do! Reagan was their hero. That's the same as asking many far-left leaning liberal Democrat who their favorite president was and they'd all say FDR!!

    Neither choice can be taken seriously when the majority of the respondents are like-minded in their guiding political theology towards "their guy". But if you asked them about Hitler, I'm sure everyone would agree he was a bad man. The common factor being give us someone we all can hate equally.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You better be careful. Otherwise, some folks might start claiming "revisionist history".
    No need to be careful when the facts speak for themselves. They can cry "revisionist history" all they want....just like Reagan says "The facts say otherwise".

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    On the contrary, people did that for thousands of years without capitalism, or any other "ism". Capitalism is about how some people own things and other people do work. Trade and commerce are not the sole province of capitalism and are part of every social order that has ever existed. Not a single one was based on force or fraud and actually worked. Many, including capitalism, involve one class of people being able to use force or fraud against members of a lower class. Again, including capitalism.



    No, socialism just includes commerce, just like every other system ever.



    This is absurd both because you're talking about a TV show, and because apparently you think people have no need to carry anything on their person besides money.



    No, we need to start moving away from classes and entrenched wealth now. Space travel is in the future, egalitarian economics are needed today.



    You clearly don't listen to the majority of your political allies, then. And you apparently aren't paying attention to basically every metric besides the comfort and enthusiasm of conservatives that says the country has been improving or staying steady for the last six years.



    Honestly, I don't know why we care so much about what the founders had to say. They've been dead for nearly two hundred years, and we should be a whole lot better than they could ever dream of being. And people two hundred years from now should be a whole lot better than we could ever dream of being. These guys were merely progressive for their time, not progressive for all time.

    What do you call the system where individuals were able to trade for goods and services for thousands of years? Capitalism is not a feudal system made up of owners and workers. It's an economic system where people can monetize their labor and trade that money for goods and services which the individual believes improves or sustains their lives. All socialist societies rely on capitalism. All communist societies have failed and now rely on capitalism to supplant their governments economically.

    Your comment about socialism and commerce makes no sense.

    My point about Startrek was to point out that you are living in somewhat of a fantasy land.

    I personally only know a couple of people who have actually met Obama. While one of them had no use for his politics, neither expressed any hatred of the man. The fact is that I don't know anyone personally who hates him. I do know lots of people who believe as I do that his policies are destructive to the fabric of the country and have delayed the economic recovery of the nation. He's a poor administrator, has no foreign policy and wants to turn the nation into a huge welfare state.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    What do you call the system where individuals were able to trade for goods and services for thousands of years? Capitalism is not a feudal system made up of owners and workers. It's an economic system where people can monetize their labor and trade that money for goods and services which the individual believes improves or sustains their lives. All socialist societies rely on capitalism. All communist societies have failed and now rely on capitalism to supplant their governments economically.

    Your comment about socialism and commerce makes no sense.

    My point about Startrek was to point out that you are living in somewhat of a fantasy land.

    I personally only know a couple of people who have actually met Obama. While one of them had no use for his politics, neither expressed any hatred of the man. The fact is that I don't know anyone personally who hates him. I do know lots of people who believe as I do that his policies are destructive to the fabric of the country and have delayed the economic recovery of the nation. He's a poor administrator, has no foreign policy and wants to turn the nation into a huge welfare state.
    I agree with you in principle per the highlights above, but the reality over the last 35 or so years is quite different.

    The "production society" now belongs to China, not the U.S. The "economic system" you speak of largely remains this bridge between Wall Street and the Federal Reserve with all those millions of financial transactions taking place by consumers. Unfortunately, consumers on Main Street who are true "producers" of things aren't sharing in this economic system as lavishly as we should. Moreover, if we're being honest hedge fund managers on Wall Street don't produce anything and yet they are today's Captian's of Industry because they move alot of money throughout this vast economic system.

    I don't begrudge anyone of wealth. Far from it; I applaud them! But our economy works in ways that are far different from how many people perceive it to work. I recommend you watch this 30-minute video to gain more insight into how our economy works. It's not all about producing goods and services. It's really about how effective we are at moving money around. The more hands that touch those dollars, the better our economy functions.
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