View Poll Results: Was Ronald Reagan the best President of the all times?

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    9 9.89%
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    23 25.27%
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The center is ignoring the poll and writing your own comments.
    OK, thanks

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    "The Beirut Barracks Bombings (October 23, 1983, in Beirut, Lebanon) occurred during the Lebanese Civil War when two truck bombs struck separate buildings housing United States and French military forces—members of the Multinational Force (MNF) in Lebanon—killing 299 American and French servicemen. An obscure group calling itself 'Islamic Jihad' claimed responsibility for the bombings....U.S. President Ronald Reagan called the attack a "despicable act"[75] and pledged to keep a military force in Lebanon. U.S. Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, who had privately advised the administration against stationing U.S. Marines in Lebanon,[76] said there would be no change in the U.S.'s Lebanon policy...On February 7, 1984, President Reagan ordered the Marines to begin withdrawing from Lebanon largely because of waning congressional support for the mission after the attacks on the barracks...."
    1983 Beirut barracks bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Withdrawing our troops from Lebanon may have been the best decision, but it shows that the claim that Reagan was firm and tough militarily is a myth.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    President "My heart wants to believe I didn't lie to the American people but that facts say otherwise" Reagan? The man who sat back and didn't lift a finger while AIDS grew into an epidemic? The man who cut all funding for mental health services and created, in large part, the homeless problem all across America? The man who saw the largest reduction in manufacturing jobs and outsourcing of jobs overseas in this country's history?Uh....not even close.
    You better be careful. Otherwise, some folks might start claiming "revisionist history".
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We need a Reagan, right about now.


    And who will be that?

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    First, the collapse of the Soviet Union didn't "win" anything. That we were ever having such a conflict in the first place means we lost. That's a game you don't win. Second, his "strategy" was to be in a country with solid industry, agriculture, and resources, and two centuries under a single government, instead of being a revolutionary state, with some of its founders still alive, without that infrastructure or resources. That's geography, not strategy. The Soviet Union was doomed the moment it tried to be a world power without being able to support such an endeavor. Who was sitting in the white house made zero difference.



    Oh good, propaganda. No point in continuing if you don't know or accept basic facts. We have some of the least economic mobility of any industrialized nation in the world. Almost everyone's economic class is inherited. And almost all the movement is down.



    Hence why capitalism is only a little bit better than the feudal aristocracies of yesteryear, and it needs to go the way of the dinosaurs to something focused on the people as whole. We don't need aristocrats, whether they're granted titles of nobility or merely own everything.



    It's amazing how much geopolitics and history conservatives have to make up in order to justify this hatred of Obama.
    I think if more Conservatives read the Federalist Papers (1-10 in this case), they'd think differently of some of their deeply held views. Because to be perfectly honest, much of what they ushered in would be viewed as tyrannical by many of the Founding Fathers they claim to support and emulate.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think iguanaman draws a very good distinction at how people with different political leans view things. A Marine base in Lebanon gets bombed and 241 Marines are dead under Reagan's watch and he walks away from it losing no political ground, but four people die in Libya and not only is America reminded of it on a near constant basis over the last 4 years, but a presidential hopeful is raked over the coals both by Congress with multiple Congressional Hearings on the matter and in the media.

    The same could be said when comparing Reagan's negotiations with Russia over a nuclear arms reduction deal and President Obama over his on-going negotiations w/Iran to preclude them from producing and/or acquiring a nuclear weapon. People tend to see only what they want to see when they just can't bring themselves to take off their partisan blinders long enough to see things more clearly.
    A part of that is the incredible increase in partisan divisiveness since then.

    Plus, no one really felt that Reagan didn't care, just that we were naive and didn't protect ourselves well enough. A horribly tragic mistake, but a naively honest one. Hillary comes off as simply not caring, and her own comments to Congress only exacerbated that feeling. And because of how the world has changed, AND the lessons we should have learned from incidents like Lebanon, we should have known better and planned better.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConsvLiberal View Post
    And who will be that?
    Wish I knew.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    First, capitalism is the only system mankind has developed which allows people to exchange goods and services without force or fraud.
    On the contrary, people did that for thousands of years without capitalism, or any other "ism". Capitalism is about how some people own things and other people do work. Trade and commerce are not the sole province of capitalism and are part of every social order that has ever existed. Not a single one was based on force or fraud and actually worked. Many, including capitalism, involve one class of people being able to use force or fraud against members of a lower class. Again, including capitalism.

    Every socialism has adopted capitalism as an economic system because it's sustainable.
    No, socialism just includes commerce, just like every other system ever.

    Do you know why people on the Enterprise on Startreck had no pockets in their uniforms? A few centuries from now they have eliminated the need for money.
    This is absurd both because you're talking about a TV show, and because apparently you think people have no need to carry anything on their person besides money.

    You were evidently born a few centuries too early.
    No, we need to start moving away from classes and entrenched wealth now. Space travel is in the future, egalitarian economics are needed today.

    Finally, I don't think many people hate Obama. I don't hate him. I just think that his policies are destructive and his presidency has made the country worse.
    You clearly don't listen to the majority of your political allies, then. And you apparently aren't paying attention to basically every metric besides the comfort and enthusiasm of conservatives that says the country has been improving or staying steady for the last six years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think if more Conservatives read the Federalist Papers (1-10 in this case), they'd think differently of some of their deeply held views. Because to be perfectly honest, much of what they ushered in would be viewed as tyrannical by many of the Founding Fathers they claim to support and emulate.
    Honestly, I don't know why we care so much about what the founders had to say. They've been dead for nearly two hundred years, and we should be a whole lot better than they could ever dream of being. And people two hundred years from now should be a whole lot better than we could ever dream of being. These guys were merely progressive for their time, not progressive for all time.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think iguanaman draws a very good distinction at how people with different political leans view things. A Marine base in Lebanon gets bombed and 241 Marines are dead under Reagan's watch and he walks away from it losing no political ground, but four people die in Libya and not only is America reminded of it on a near constant basis over the last 4 years, but a presidential hopeful is raked over the coals both by Congress with multiple Congressional Hearings on the matter and in the media.

    The same could be said when comparing Reagan's negotiations with Russia over a nuclear arms reduction deal and President Obama over his on-going negotiations w/Iran to preclude them from producing and/or acquiring a nuclear weapon. People tend to see only what they want to see when they just can't bring themselves to take off their partisan blinders long enough to see things more clearly.
    You've proven your own point. Your comparisons are not comparisons at all.

    The Marines were sent to Lebanon in an attempt to bring peace. When the barracks were bombed, it became clear the mission could not be achieved. It took leadership to make the hard decision to realize that and pull out. In Libya, the story is not that 4 people died, it's the PR spin that flowed out after they were killed.

    Reagan's negotiations with the USSR, not Russia, have been well documented, as has Gorbachev's thoughts about them and the man he sat across from. Somehow I don't see Ali Khamenei paying his respects at President Obama's funeral.

    I will agree that people only see what they want to see. For the majority of Reagans detractors, unless they are older that 50, they only see what they have been told, and taught, to see.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConsvLiberal View Post
    In 1984 Ronald Reagan got the best result in history of the United Staates Of America. The Reaganomics were popular all around the world. Do you think that he was the greatest President of the United States?
    It's say Jefferson, Lincoln, Eisenhower, and teddy Roosevelt rank above him, though I consider him in that company.
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