View Poll Results: Was Ronald Reagan the best President of the all times?

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    9 9.89%
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    23 25.27%
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Bet you had to use your google mastery to look him up.
    I certainly did! I'd never heard of him until now.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    "The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ایران-کنترا‎, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped that the arms sales would secure the release of several US hostages and use the money to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress...Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[9] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[9] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[10] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[11] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[12]...charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[13] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[14]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...3Contra_affair

    Summary:
    • Reagan's people delayed the release of hostages held by Iran
    • In exchange for delaying the release of hostages, Iran was promised arms
    • The fact that Iran continued to hold the hostages despite Carter's efforts led to Reagan winning the presidency
    • Profits from the arms for hostages deal were used to illegally fund the Contras despite Congress's prohibition on arming the Contras
    • Cocaine was brought into the USA with profits used to illegally fund the Contras
    • The Contras used terrorist techniques that killed civilians to overthrow a legitimate government in Nicaragua


    Reagan and/or his top officials should have been charged with treason.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Since Andrew Jackson, America has always run deficits but until the Reagan-era the deficits was kept relatively under control. But beginning in 1983, the deficit began to explode! History has already shown that the trend that "deficits don't matter" truly began under Reagan's watch.
    Right. I didn't like it, but was willing to accept it because I felt we got something of value in return for it. Unfortunately, too many people... i.e.: Cheney, as one primary example... took the wrong lesson from it.
    To date, William Henry Harrison has more Presidential accomplishments than Donald Trump

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Right. I didn't like it, but was willing to accept it because I felt we got something of value in return for it. Unfortunately, too many people... i.e.: Cheney, as one primary example... took the wrong lesson from it.
    Benjamin Franklin said Reagan was a terrible president. Now do you believe me?
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConsvLiberal View Post
    In 1984 Ronald Reagan got the best result in history of the United Staates Of America. The Reaganomics were popular all around the world. Do you think that he was the greatest President of the United States?
    We need a Reagan, right about now.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I asked you what an appropriate response would have been in your estimation.
    An appropriate response would to not be blindsided by Hezbollah. It was a stupid move all around. One of many, here's another.

    In 1984, according to The LA Times, the State Department–in the name of "increased American penetration of the extremely competitive civilian aircraft market"-pushed through the sale of 45 Bell 214ST helicopters to Iraq. The helicopters, worth some $200 million, were originally designed for military purposes. The New York Times later reported that Saddam "transferred many, if not all [of these helicopters] to his military."

    In 1988, Saddam’s forces allegedly attacked Kurdish civilians with poisonous gas from Iraqi helicopters and planes. U.S. intelligence sources told The LA Times in 1991, they "believe that the American-built helicopters were among those dropping the deadly bombs."

    In response to the gassing, sweeping sanctions were unanimously passed by the US Senate that would have denied Iraq access to most US technology. The measure was killed by the Reagan White House. Senior officials later told reporters they did not press for punishment of Iraq at the time because they wanted to shore up Iraq’s ability to pursue the war with Iran.
    The Irony is that Reagan was also arming Iran in his deal for the hostages.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Has Reagan become the new Goldwater? People holding him up as their shining example without really knowing or acknowledging who he really was?
    To date, William Henry Harrison has more Presidential accomplishments than Donald Trump

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Reagan was not the best U.S. president of all time. Or even since World War Two.

    I put him consistently at fourth best or greatest. He was almost certainly far and away the best of the possible U.S. leaders for the 1980s and he was extremely well suited for what was needed at that time.

    He might or might not be suited for the challenges of today.

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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    And it's very clear you people have no comprehension of what Reagan did. But I understand, most of you are just B-or less-students who have been fed a script.
    I think iguanaman draws a very good distinction at how people with different political leans view things. A Marine base in Lebanon gets bombed and 241 Marines are dead under Reagan's watch and he walks away from it losing no political ground, but four people die in Libya and not only is America reminded of it on a near constant basis over the last 4 years, but a presidential hopeful is raked over the coals both by Congress with multiple Congressional Hearings on the matter and in the media.

    The same could be said when comparing Reagan's negotiations with Russia over a nuclear arms reduction deal and President Obama over his on-going negotiations w/Iran to preclude them from producing and/or acquiring a nuclear weapon. People tend to see only what they want to see when they just can't bring themselves to take off their partisan blinders long enough to see things more clearly.
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    Re: Is Ronald Reagan the best President all time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    First, the collapse of the Soviet Union didn't "win" anything. That we were ever having such a conflict in the first place means we lost. That's a game you don't win. Second, his "strategy" was to be in a country with solid industry, agriculture, and resources, and two centuries under a single government, instead of being a revolutionary state, with some of its founders still alive, without that infrastructure or resources. That's geography, not strategy. The Soviet Union was doomed the moment it tried to be a world power without being able to support such an endeavor. Who was sitting in the white house made zero difference.



    Oh good, propaganda. No point in continuing if you don't know or accept basic facts. We have some of the least economic mobility of any industrialized nation in the world. Almost everyone's economic class is inherited. And almost all the movement is down.



    Hence why capitalism is only a little bit better than the feudal aristocracies of yesteryear, and it needs to go the way of the dinosaurs to something focused on the people as whole. We don't need aristocrats, whether they're granted titles of nobility or merely own everything.



    It's amazing how much geopolitics and history conservatives have to make up in order to justify this hatred of Obama.
    First, capitalism is the only system mankind has developed which allows people to exchange goods and services without force or fraud. Every socialism has adopted capitalism as an economic system because it's sustainable. Do you know why people on the Enterprise on Startreck had no pockets in their uniforms? A few centuries from now they have eliminated the need for money. You were evidently born a few centuries too early.

    Finally, I don't think many people hate Obama. I don't hate him. I just think that his policies are destructive and his presidency has made the country worse.
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