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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Start with the taking of the Mariannas, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima. No prisoners, by order. The Japanese in the cave systems there, some did surrender, they were burnt alive, flamethrowers. Ask any Marine still alive from the 1st or 2cd about the sanctioned alowance of souvenirs taken from the dead, including gold teeth. The list goes on and on, including the use of willy peter and prohibited gas. Enhanced interrogation and pretty much everything you accuse Cheney of being involved in.

    I choose FDR because his actions are a near replica of what you accuse Cheney of. The difference? Folks weren't allowed to report on what FDR did when he was alive.
    There were no orders from the White House or from high ranking officers - "Take no prisoners" Some unit commanders did issue such orders but most of the atrocities were due to the actions of individual troops.

    The use of "willy peter" has not been banned by the US military. The treaty banning its use against civilian targets wasn't even written until the late 70s and only parts of it have been signed by the US during the Clinton years.

    Provide evidence poison gas was used during WWII by US forces

    Was "enhanced interrogation" ordered by FDR, Harry Truman, Eisenhower or MacArthur? There is certainly evidence that some torturing of POWs was carried out but in every case it was a relatively low-level officer who OK'd the tactics. Higher ranking prisoners were not tortured and tended to provide more valuable information. WWII intelligence officers provided some stories to CBS in Dec 2014
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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Every administration needs someone like Cheney - it reminds me of a line from Heartbreak Ridge when the new Captain was chewing out Gunny Highway, saying something similar to people like him should be kept away from everyone else, behind glass that says break in case of war. Cheney is a mean son of a bitch no doubt but he has his uses. He no more evil than any other politician and the calls for stringing him up for breaking the law is all too amusing.
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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Supply the viewing audience with a list of FDR war crimes - then tell us why you bothered to bring up FDR as the discussion concerns a man who is still alive and not a man who was dead before most of us were born.
    How about the invasion of Europe to start. Was that really that pressing? We could have crushed Japan and Hitlers "declaration of war" against us would have dried up like a prune in the sun.
    He was running out of steam bombing England and getting his ass handed to him in Russia already.
    So, other than to defend our Brit friends. There was no reason to go to war with Germany.
    And those same take no prisoners orders and war trophy blind eyes went on there too.
    And how many hundreds of thousands of our men died in WWII European theaters?
    Compared to how many loses in the ME so far?
    Then we can move forward to Johnson and Rolling Thunder in 68. Carpet bombing of thousands of people, untold dead there.
    Only to pick up and leave. After we sacrificed 58000 troops.

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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by ConsvLiberal View Post
    I think he was a controversial Vice President. What do you think?
    Not worthy of a comment IMO.

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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    There were no orders from the White House or from high ranking officers - "Take no prisoners" Some unit commanders did issue such orders but most of the atrocities were due to the actions of individual troops.
    Bull**** and the same dodge that you would lambast Bush/Cheney supporters for. Again, ask anyone that was there, it wasn't an individuals soldiers idea. In fact it's why my father, though qualified on the flamethrower, chose another available duty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The use of "willy peter" has not been banned by the US military. The treaty banning its use against civilian targets wasn't even written until the late 70s and only parts of it have been signed by the US during the Clinton years.

    Provide evidence poison gas was used during WWII by US forces
    1925 Geneva Protocol



    Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare



    The 1925 Geneva Protocol prohibits the use of chemical and biological weapons in war. The Protocol was drawn up and signed at a conference which was held in Geneva under the auspices of the League of Nations from 4 May to 17 June 1925, and it entered into force on 8 February 1928.
    UNODA - 1925 Geneva Protocol

    Since World War I, mustard gas has been used in several wars or other conflicts, usually against people who cannot retaliate in kind:[21]
    United Kingdom against the Red Army in 1919[22]
    Spain and France against the Rifian resistance in Morocco during 1921–27[21][23]
    Italy in Libya during 1930[21]
    The Soviet Union in Xinjiang, Republic of China, during the Soviet Invasion of Xinjiang against the 36th Division (National Revolutionary Army) in 1934, and also in the Xinjiang War (1937) during 1936–37[22][23]
    Italy against Abyssinia (now Ethiopia) from 1935 to 1940[21]
    The Japanese Empire against China during 1937–45[22]
    Egypt against North Yemen during 1963–67[21]
    Iraq against civilian Kurds and the Iranians during 1983–88 in the town of Halabja[22][24]
    Possibly Sudan against insurgents in the civil war, in 1995 and 1997[21]

    In 1943, during the Second World War, an American shipment of mustard gas exploded aboard a supply ship that was bombed during an air raid in the harbor of Bari, Italy. Eighty-three of the 628 hospitalized victims who had been exposed to the mustard gas died.[25] The deaths and incident were partially classified for many years.

    From 1943 to 1944, mustard gas experiments were performed on Australian service volunteers in tropical Queensland, Australia, by British Army and American experimenters, resulting in some severe injuries. One test site, the Brook Islands National Park, was chosen to simulate Pacific islands held by the Imperial Japanese Army.[26][27]

    After WWII stockpiled mustard gas was dumped by the British in the sea near Port Elizabeth, South Africa, resulting in burn cases among trawler crews.[28]

    The use of poison gases, including mustard gas, during warfare is known as chemical warfare, and this kind of warfare was prohibited by the Geneva Protocol of 1925, and also by the later Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993. The latter agreement also prohibits the development, production, stockpiling, and sale of such weapons.
    Sulfur mustard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Was "enhanced interrogation" ordered by FDR, Harry Truman, Eisenhower or MacArthur? There is certainly evidence that some torturing of POWs was carried out but in every case it was a relatively low-level officer who OK'd the tactics. Higher ranking prisoners were not tortured and tended to provide more valuable information. WWII intelligence officers provided some stories to CBS in Dec 2014
    As for enhanced interrogation, ALL named allowed it and it was NOT against military SOP.
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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How about the invasion of Europe to start. Was that really that pressing? We could have crushed Japan and Hitlers "declaration of war" against us would have dried up like a prune in the sun.
    He was running out of steam bombing England and getting his ass handed to him in Russia already.
    So, other than to defend our Brit friends. There was no reason to go to war with Germany.
    And those same take no prisoners orders and war trophy blind eyes went on there too.
    And how many hundreds of thousands of our men died in WWII European theaters?
    Compared to how many loses in the ME so far?
    Then we can move forward to Johnson and Rolling Thunder in 68. Carpet bombing of thousands of people, untold dead there.
    Only to pick up and leave. After we sacrificed 58000 troops.
    So you are unable to support your earlier statement. Not surprised
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    In reply to clownboy --- You failed to answer my specific notes and attempt diversion by bringing up other points

    Have fun playing in the clown car
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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So you are unable to support your earlier statement. Not surprised
    What statement was that? You never quoted me or asked me anything about what I had to say on the matter. So...
    What support do you need about a man who has been out of office for SIX YEARS.

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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by ConsvLiberal View Post
    I think he was a controversial Vice President. What do you think?
    Better than Biden except when duck hunting.
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    Re: What do you think about Dick Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What statement was that? You never quoted me or asked me anything about what I had to say on the matter. So...
    What support do you need about a man who has been out of office for SIX YEARS.
    No statute of limitations on war crimes.

    You are correct, I was replying to an earlier comment by clownboy -- for that I apologise.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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