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    Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    This topic seems to have popped up in a few threads recently so I thought I'd put this together. Put simply do you believe in the concept of natural rights? That is to say rights that are "not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable".

    Personally I don't. I think that Hobbes had it right when he intimated that the only 'natural right' that a human being possesses is the right to strive for their own survival. Everything else exists only at the sufferance of your own strength or the kindness of others. It is part of what makes civilization so essential and so valuable, because by creating a society we attempt to lift ourselves out of that war of all against all. This allows for freedom of speech, property rights, press freedoms, freedom of worship, etc. Absent organized society these 'rights' would be purely theoretical.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Drat, I intended to make this an open poll. Is there any way to edit it so that people can see who voted for what? I think it makes these threads more interesting.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Rights are whatever you can defend, be it through individual strength or collective teamwork.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Embarrassing confession time: I have literally no idea why "natural rights" are brought into certain threads when they are.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    I believe in self ownership.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I believe in self ownership.
    You're able to own yourself so long as those stronger do not wish to own you more.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You're able to own yourself so long as those stronger do not wish to own you more.
    Yeah whatever.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I believe in self ownership.
    I believe in the right to fight for 'self-ownership' in the context of your own survival. It is the only right I can think of that cant be taken away from you. The 'will to live' or 'will to survive' is what I'm getting at. Other than that everything is dependent upon your own strength and the intentions of others.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah whatever.
    Ask an actual slave if he disagrees with that sentiment.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah whatever.
    Slaves are slaves because the collective is more powerful than the individual. Your ownership is constantly up for auction.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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