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Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

Do You Believe in Natural Rights?

  • Yes

    Votes: 36 41.4%
  • No

    Votes: 51 58.6%

  • Total voters
    87
Especially since what you posted doesn't parse into English. Do try again and ask what you want to know in a clear and concise manner. And don't post drunk, that's always helpful.

well, there you are folks...nothing, nothing..i constantly hear rights are created by government by man..yet when proof is asked for...none is given!
 
The text of the Constitution won't change your bizarre and unclear posting style.

sorry but it does if you read, you will find privileges in the body of the constitution, and then rights recognized by government in the bill of rights.

rights are natural rights

privileges are created by government
 
sorry but it does if you read, you will find privileges in the body of the constitution, and then rights recognized by government in the bill of rights.

rights are natural rights

privileges are created by government

Some people have no clue how to carry out an intellectual debate, they just keep repeating the same thing over and over again without realizing that they have to actually back up their statements with evidence. No wonder libertarians are so laughable.
 
sorry but it does if you read, you will find privileges in the body of the constitution, and then rights recognized by government in the bill of rights.

rights are natural rights

privileges are created by government

why does this semantical hoop even matter?
 
Some people have no clue how to carry out an intellectual debate, they just keep repeating the same thing over and over again without realizing that they have to actually back up their statements with evidence. No wonder libertarians are so laughable.

oh..lets see..you have stated everything i have said to be wrong, AND THEN you have talked about me.

when asked to show proof of what you are saying, you continue to not produce anything, but continue to say i am wrong.....so you need come up with something fast because your case it dead.
 
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why does this semantical hoop even matter?

rights do not require an action from government, but only that government stand back and the rights exercised

privileges require government action, government must do something for the privileges to be exercised.

since government must perform an action for you to have a privilege, then government has power to determine if you will have the privilege or not.
 
rights do not require an action from government, but only that government stand back and the rights exercised

privileges require government action, government must do something for the privileges to be exercised.

since government must perform an action for you to have a privilege, then government has power to determine if you will have the privilege or not.

right to vote, yawn
 
right to vote, yawn

to the founders voting is a privilege.....as stated by the constitution.

the USSC took voting out of state constitutions, recognizing it as a right......but in reality its not because a government action must be performed for voting to take place.
 
to the founders voting is a privilege.....as stated by the constitution.

the USSC took voting out of state constitutions, recognizing it as a right......but in reality its not because a government action must be performed for voting to take place.

The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.

Franklin D. Roosevelt

Is the concept that FDR is speaking of considered blasphemy
 
Is the concept that FDR is speaking of considered blasphemy


The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.

red = wrong

black = correct

governments have killed more people and violated the rights of more people then anyone person or group ever has.

"the first bulwark shall be the senate controlled by the state legislatures, followed by the second bulwark which shall be the federal courts"

government looks out for its own interest, "as government power grows, liberty recedes"
 
The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.

red = wrong

black = correct

governments have killed more people and violated the rights of more people then anyone person or group ever has.

"the first bulwark shall be the senate controlled by the state legislatures, followed by the second bulwark which shall be the federal courts"

government looks out for its own interest, "as government power grows, liberty recedes"

And who ultimately elects the government to power?
 
And what exists as a block against the states?

The Supreme Court.

Nope, the People. The SCOTUS was never meant to be a block against the states. In fact just the reverse, they were to block the federal when it infringed on the states and the People.
 
Nope they goofed and the Constitution has been amended. C ya Charlie I'm bored with playing semantical hop scotch.

That's actually a good point, if the founders were so perfect, why did the Constitution ever get amended at all? They should have gotten it right in the first place.
 
That's why I consider libertarianism to be more of a religion than a political position. They have to have blind and unassailable faith in their positions, no matter how absurd they are.

That is fair and accurate. Obviously every sort of ideology has some maxims attached to it but libertarianism stands out as it makes no apologies that it is simply one belief built upon another belief and there is no real world proof of any of it. And because the American people wisely treat the LIBERTARIAN label like the skull and crossbones at election time each round, they have the luxury of never having to put their silly nonsense to any real world test to see how it actually works.
 
my personal opinion, is not what others may interpret from the DOI its up to the reader....but as for me myself, yes, but thats me, and not other people might think.

Just to be clear EB - you do believe that natural rights come from a Creator. Is that correct?
 
This topic seems to have popped up in a few threads recently so I thought I'd put this together. Put simply do you believe in the concept of natural rights? That is to say rights that are "not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable".

Personally I don't. I think that Hobbes had it right when he intimated that the only 'natural right' that a human being possesses is the right to strive for their own survival. Everything else exists only at the sufferance of your own strength or the kindness of others. It is part of what makes civilization so essential and so valuable, because by creating a society we attempt to lift ourselves out of that war of all against all. This allows for freedom of speech, property rights, press freedoms, freedom of worship, etc. Absent organized society these 'rights' would be purely theoretical.

Might makes right or in this case, rights. Without the might, neither right nor rights can exist.
 
its plain as the nose on you face if you would start by reading the constitution....but you will not

The Constitution does not translate Barkmanese into standard English. Only you can try to do that.
 
well, there you are folks...nothing, nothing..i constantly hear rights are created by government by man..yet when proof is asked for...none is given!

that is not true. I gave you the example of VOTING RIGHTS and the SIXTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
 
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