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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Tremendous!!!! people who do not believe in the concept of natural rights have no morals..... only believe in force .... believe that might makes right..... are akin to ISIS or the Taliban ... would throw gays off of buildings .... look at people like insects ..... would relegate women to status just love animals .... and share the tactics of North Korea.

    Amazing!!!! Truly awe inspiring amazing!!!!!
    You missed my point entirely didn't you. Lets try it this way: explain to me why it is immoral for ISIS to toss gays to their deaths from tall buildings.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We did and do just that in the establishment, enforcement, and even change of our Constitution and laws.
    no you didnt, you do not address the idea of you concpet in american laws,

    your concept defies all american laws, organic, constitutional, federal.

    now.....show me where in the laws of america where your concepts are, because you just saying it does not make it fact.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    people who do not believe in the concept of natural rights... would throw gays off of buildings....
    If a society decides it's okay to throw gays off of buildings what moral authority is there to tell them they shouldn't? You? The Iranian Railroad for Queer Refugees? Why should anyone listen to you... or them?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Is that a universal or conditional statement? If it's conditional, under that conditions, do you think, would general mayhem increase productivity and desirable resources?
    Organization is more efficient than disorganization. General mayhem is disorganization.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Yeah, but you're still claiming that rights are only what a dictator gives you, which means you're entitled to nothing, including your natural rights. I can't buy into that premise, magical powers or not.
    A dictator only has the rights of those who support him, either directly or tacitly. One man cannot rule millions without their consent.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You missed my point entirely didn't you. Lets try it this way: explain to me why it is immoral for ISIS to toss gays to their deaths from tall buildings.
    No - your "point' came across crystal clear.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If a society decides it's okay to throw gays off of buildings what moral authority is there to tell them they shouldn't? You? The Iranian Railroad for Queer Refugees? Why should anyone listen to you... or them?
    Written law is an expression of what a society feels is necessary for that society to conduct business in relative order and peace. That is the authority society puts forth. I have no quarrel that some of it may indeed be influenced by concepts of ones personal judgement while other parts of law are simply rules that we want people to follow because its easer for almost everyone if we do it that way.

    Having a law to prevent murder is perfectly possible in a world where the concept of natural rights fails to exist. All people have to do is feel that they do not want people killing others and thus we need a law to prevent that.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - your "point' came across crystal clear.
    So, you want to answer the question then? Or no?

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So, you want to answer the question then? Or no?
    see my post 787 where it covers your question about throwing gays off buildings.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    A dictator only has the rights of those who support him, either directly or tacitly. One man cannot rule millions without their consent.
    That doesn't make any sense. Dictators rule without the consent of the governed. Thats what makes them dictators. They come to power by force and remain in power by force. Not consent.

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