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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Keep in mind these men had already achieved varying degrees of success under British rule. Some of them became tremendously wealthy. It's certainly not like they would have been destitute if they hadn't risen up against the British. Not all of them were slave holders, and some of them only reluctantly agreed to commit what amounted to treason. One notable example is John Adams, who was on the committee to draft the Declaration. So whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, these men did risk everything, including their lives, to gain independence for the colonies from Britain. And before you lambaste people like Adams who agreed to permit slavery in the new union, there wouldn't have been one without out it. They needed votes, and the only way to get them was compromise with the hope that slavery would one day become a thing of the past, which it ultimately did only at great cost.
    just a bit of info for you, slavery did not end in the British Empire until 1833

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    None of which proves that what he wrote was factually true.
    Remember this: A critical word in the title of the tread is "believe." I believe the 50-60 million people Mao wiped off the planet had a right to live because I think man's ability to reason, experience, and feel places him above things. You apparently don't believe they did. Can you prove your belief with facts? I'm gonna take a stab and say no.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So do we reject the time old adage that ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS and now accept the premise that ones actions for a lifetime mean precious little or even nothing compared to one statement to the contrary given to justify separating from England?

    Yes, perhaps the extremely naive would accept such a ridiculous claim.
    If you want to engage in faulty reasoning by poisoning the well, thus ignoring the merits of their argument, be my guest. And since when does treason not place one at personal risk of losing everything, including one's life?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Remember this: A critical word in the title of the tread is "believe." I believe the 50-60 million people Mao wiped off the planet had a right to live because I think man's ability to reason, experience, and feel places him above things. You apparently don't believe they did. Can you prove your belief with facts? I'm gonna take a stab and say no.
    So you admit that you have blind faith in natural rights. Gotcha.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That still doesn't prove they're real, it just proves they've been popular. Try again.
    nah, i'm not gonna try again.. .you're far too invested in ignoring recorded history and philosophy... that's a wall nobody is going to be able to pierce.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    nah, i'm not gonna try again.. .you're far too invested in ignoring recorded history and philosophy... that's a wall nobody is going to be able to pierce.
    Because it's all a conspiracy not to pay attention to libertarian stupidity. Gotcha.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because it's all a conspiracy not to pay attention to libertarian stupidity. Gotcha.
    ahhh... now I can see why you decided to throw up the anti-intellectual wall....you falsely believe natural rights are solely a libertarian "thing".

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You're conflating "natural rights" with rights dictated by society.
    There are no such thing as 'natural rights.' All are something that are determined and then recognized by man.
    "Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free."

    "No, you'll be *a* judge of that, just like everyone else who reads it."
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There are no such thing as 'natural rights.' All are something that are determined and then recognized by man.
    I'm not a believer in natural rights either, hence the quotation marks around them. I generally support most of the application of the theory because I believe in a more equal society, but I don't see any epistemological reasoning for supporting the theory.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If you want to engage in faulty reasoning by poisoning the well, thus ignoring the merits of their argument, be my guest. And since when does treason not place one at personal risk of losing everything, including one's life?
    That response makes no sense to the post from me that you produced as its lead in.
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