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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, dictionaries are my friend... smart asses, not so much.
    Then libertarians ought to knock it off.

    so am i to gather that you believe nothing is "real" unless it has a distinct physical manifestation?
    What in the definition I provided says anything of the sort?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    many see those as synonymous..
    Many would be wrong.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually what it does it proves you presented a falsehood about the beliefs of Jefferson as stated in his famous statement about natural rights in the Declaration.

    I will leave it to others to deduce why in the world would you do something so inherently intellectually dishonest.
    what falsehood? you pretend that he was a liar. and you failed to prove it

    more egregiously, you failed to prove your leap of faith that because some of those who SIGNED the DOI didn't extend the coverage to SLAVES, therefore they didn't believe in natural rights or by extrapolation, the Bill of Rights which is one of the silliest jumps of non logic ever seen on this board



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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The only thing DISINGENUOUS is your continual pretending that Jefferson did not write the words ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL and that they had rights including LIBERTY. And if you want to call your attempt at tat same intellectual fraud BOGUS - that is fine with me.
    that is an apples to cinderblock comparison and silly at that. what is the end game to your constant complaints about Jefferson? that is what is really specious



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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    .. deal with it.
    I did in post 689. Did you miss it? Do you not understand it?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what i post shows natural rights of life liberty and property, did not originate from the DOI.
    beliefs originate in the mind and that is where they reside.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what falsehood? you pretend that he was a liar. and you failed to prove it
    The daily actions for years and years and years and years of Jefferson prove that his one shot statement of natural rights on one day in July of 1776 was a falsehood.

    It further shows that anyone who would take that one shot statement over years and years and years of opposite real world actions is intentionally deluding themselves into a fantasy that is being perpetuated only to avoid destroying the make believe concepts that are divorced from both history and reality.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is an apples to cinderblock comparison and silly at that. what is the end game to your constant complaints about Jefferson? that is what is really specious
    No - its 100% true and accurate and very much part of the real world most people live in.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - its 100% true and accurate and very much part of the real world most people live in.
    rejected as contrary to reality. its a silly argument. Even if Jefferson did not believe that those rights applied to ALL MEN so what. Your silly attempt to try to undermine the scope of the BIll of Rights based on that claim is beyond bogus



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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    rejected as contrary to reality. its a silly argument. Even if Jefferson did not believe that those rights applied to ALL MEN so what. Your silly attempt to try to undermine the scope of the BIll of Rights based on that claim is beyond bogus
    Why should anyone care what Jefferson believed when we're trying to establish what actually exists in objective reality? Jefferson's opinions mean exactly what everyone else's opinions do. Jack squat.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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