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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I just accept that when Jefferson wrote "all men are created equal" he spoke the truth and meant ALL MEN, even if he was a hypocrite. Look at this sentence from the passage I quoted earlier from his Notes on the State of Virginia:
    Tell it to Turtle as he keeps insisting it applied to only white men of property. What you seem to minimize by simply calling him a 'hypocrite' does not do justice to the actual events of Jeffersons life where he owned over 100 slaves for decades. that sort of actions goes far far far beyond mere hypocrisy. It shows he never believed the hollow words that others want to deceive themselves in believing matter more than actual daily actions for his entire adult life.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    guy you seem to be looking for argument from me at every turn....but again BOOM! TO YOU.

    The Rights of the Colonists

    November 20, 1772


    I. Natural Rights of the Colonists as Men.

    Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.
    Since you are NOT quoting from the Declaration - it is irrelevant and means nothing since that is what was being discussed as the clear statement of natural rights in our founding documents.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    fine then.... Let it go!
    Why did you not take your own advice on the matter instead of keeping it alive with this post which serves no purpose?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and that has ZERO, nada, ZILCH to do with the scope of the rights in the bill of rights

    you seem to think that because Jefferson didn't include slaves, that somehow means that Jefferson (who did NOT WRITE the Bill of RIghts) didn't believe in natural rights for citizens

    completely disingenuous and bogus argument
    The only thing DISINGENUOUS is your continual pretending that Jefferson did not write the words ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL and that they had rights including LIBERTY. And if you want to call your attempt at tat same intellectual fraud BOGUS - that is fine with me.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're talking about Human Rights, and I agree, but this thread is about Natural Rights.
    many see those as synonymous..

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Dictionaries are your friend.

    re·al1
    ˈrē(ə)l/
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    actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.
    yes, dictionaries are my friend... smart asses, not so much.


    so am i to gather that you believe nothing is "real" unless it has a distinct physical manifestation?

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Something that many right libertarians truly have never understood as the very concept is outside of their self imposed belief system.
    vacuous non-answer... your usual fare.

    do you also believe nothing is "real" unless is has a distinct physical manifestation?

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    vacuous non-answer... your usual fare.

    do you also believe nothing is "real" unless is has a distinct physical manifestation?
    Your post makes no sense in reply to the one from me that you repeated at the start of your post since i provided a very clear statement that was very easy to understand.

    As to your what is real question - I really do not have any idea what you are talking about or what it has to do with very real rights that people can exercise.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your post makes no sense in reply to the one from me that you repeated at the start of your post since i provided a very clear statement that was very easy to understand.

    As to your what is real question - I really do not have any idea what you are talking about or what it has to do with very real rights that people can exercise.
    you previous reply was bereft of relevancy , intelligence, and meaning.... deal with it.

    of course you argue you have no idea what i'm talking about.. we're used to you feigning ignorance when a simple question is posed to you.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Since you are NOT quoting from the Declaration - it is irrelevant and means nothing since that is what was being discussed as the clear statement of natural rights in our founding documents.
    what i post shows natural rights of life liberty and property, did not originate from the DOI.
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