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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    How do you know? Are you his lawyer?


    All dead people have the right to remain silent, it's the only right that they can use.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    I believe in natural rights that are recognized by humankind

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Rights only truly exist if infringement can be prevented...
    If by "truly" you mean de facto, I'd say you're correct. Otherwise, no. If I steal my classmate's lunch money he still has a right to it even as he's been deprived of it.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    All dead people have the right to remain silent, it's the only right that they can use.
    How about the right to peaceably assemble? It's not like they're going to riot or anything.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    All dead people have the right to remain silent, it's the only right that they can use.
    the dead have no rights....reason and sentience are inherent to rights... the dead are kinda lacking in both, cuz.. you know...they're dead.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    How about the right to peaceably assemble? It's not like they're going to riot or anything.
    the most peaceable assembly ever.... the graveyard

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This topic seems to have popped up in a few threads recently so I thought I'd put this together. Put simply do you believe in the concept of natural rights? That is to say rights that are "not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable".

    Personally I don't. I think that Hobbes had it right when he intimated that the only 'natural right' that a human being possesses is the right to strive for their own survival. Everything else exists only at the sufferance of your own strength or the kindness of others. It is part of what makes civilization so essential and so valuable, because by creating a society we attempt to lift ourselves out of that war of all against all. This allows for freedom of speech, property rights, press freedoms, freedom of worship, etc. Absent organized society these 'rights' would be purely theoretical.
    Rights exist regardless of whether or not they are granted. People have a right to their own life even if someone kills them and nobody cares. Organized society and civilization is so essential and so valuable not because it creates rights but because defends them.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Rights exist regardless of whether or not they are granted. People have a right to their own life even if someone kills them and nobody cares. Organized society and civilization is so essential and so valuable not because it creates rights but because defends them.
    You're talking about Human Rights, and I agree, but this thread is about Natural Rights.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    what do you mean by "real"?
    Dictionaries are your friend.

    re·al1
    ˈrē(ə)l/
    adjective
    1.
    actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I just consulted a dictionary on the word 'inalienable' and it tells me that the subject is: "Not subject to being taken away from or given away by the possessor". So we're caught in the 'is/ought' dilemma. Are we to believe that an 'inalienable right' cannot or merely should not be taken or given away? My reading of that definition is the former. What makes you think it is the latter?
    I have now posted numerous definitions on the word from numerous sources. And all are in agreement. Something that is not 'subject to' means it cannot be done. You cannot sell, barter, or give away an unalienable right nor can anyone take it from you. You can agree not to exercise an unalienable right and somebody might prevent you from exercising it, but you still have it nevertheless.
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