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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Nope. They can only prevent me from exercising it. They cannot take my life and then have a life they can use. They cannot take away my ability to think and then have an extra ability to use. They cannot take away my capacity to pursue happiness and have more happiness themselves. Nor can I sell or give any of those things to anybody else. The purpose of the U.S. Constitution was to recognize and protect the unalienable rights of the people so that they, for the first time in the history of the world, would be able to live in liberty and exercise those rights without interference.

    To me that is such a simple concept. But for so many, it seems to be almost impossible to understand and appreciate.
    You can be alienated from your life, that means you have no inalienable right to life.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Sorry but the way I define words...
    You don't get to define words. We have dictionaries.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So you're just going to ignore the crime of murder and keep living in fantasy land.
    If that is what you got from my post, well that would explain a lot of the disconnect here.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You don't get to define words. We have dictionaries.
    And I have used quite a few of them to support the definition of the words I use and have posted those definitions in this thread. Have you?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You can be alienated from your life, that means you have no inalienable right to life.
    Maybe if you actually consulted some of those dictionaries you would understand how silly this statement actually is?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Maybe if you actually consulted some of those dictionaries you would understand how silly this statement actually is?
    Right back at ya.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Maybe if you actually consulted some of those dictionaries you would understand how silly this statement actually is?
    I just consulted a dictionary on the word 'inalienable' and it tells me that the subject is: "Not subject to being taken away from or given away by the possessor". So we're caught in the 'is/ought' dilemma. Are we to believe that an 'inalienable right' cannot or merely should not be taken or given away? My reading of that definition is the former. What makes you think it is the latter?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Bad analogy.
    It's perfectly valid. According to you, because my neighbor can't exercise his right to keep his nickel his right doesn't exist.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You can be alienated from your life, that means you have no inalienable right to life.
    Again, you are continuing to confuse the right to the thing with the thing itself.


    I realize Heinlein made this argument in Starship Troopers, which was an excellent book, and it sounded really smart when we were 14.... but we're not 14 anymore, and he was wrong.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Recognizing that someone's rights can be abused or repressed does not make them any less a right, and doesn't make the usurpation of it "right" either.



    I don't particularly care what we call them, as along as we call them something that sounds absolute and not-to-be-infringed-upon. "Rights" worked for the Founders. We could also call them "Liberties the Oppression of Which Justify Instantly Killing Your Ass" and I'd be fine with that too, though it is a bit cumbersome.


    Other things we could name them, instead of "rights"...

    "**** I will ****ing Kill You Over."
    "Ways that Nobody Including Government Should Ever **** With You."
    "The Absolute Minimum Respect For Your Humanity That Everyone Should Always Show, On Pain Of Possible Death or Dismemberment."
    Or the classic...
    "Man I Wouldn't Do That **** If I Was You..."
    I really need a button that forces everyone else to read a post before they are allowed to continue on the forum, similar to the "Rules" page when you get dinged.
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