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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That guy exists only in your mind with the other demons.
    oh, when i see you, always you are so quick to criticize those that lived before us.


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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Come on. You aren't going to make this into a battle of semantics are you?


    inalienable
    ADJECTIVE
    unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor:
    "freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights"
    synonyms: inviolable · absolute · sacrosanct · untransferable ·
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    Inalienable | Define Inalienable at Dictionary.com
    adjective 1. not alienable; not transferable to another or capable of being repudiated: inalienable rights.

    Inalienable rights legal definition of Inalienable rights
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    Inalienable. Not subject to sale or transfer; inseparable. That which is inalienable cannot be bought, sold, or transferred from one individual to another.

    Unalienable | Definition of unalienable by Merriam-Webster
    Unalienable | Definition of unalienable by Merriam-Webster
    Full Definition of UNALIENABLE : inalienable
    impossible to take away or give up

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    un·al·ien·a·ble
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    Not to be separated, given away, or taken away; inalienable:
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    with unalienable rights..........they in no way can be alienated away from someone, even if the person wanted to

    with inalienable rights......the person cannot give up his rights by law, ..however he can freely give them up by his own consent...IE... WAIVE HIS RIGHTS
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, when i see you, always
    you are so quick to criticize those that lived before us.


    Only those who deserve criticism. Which includes a lot of people.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    let me set you straight so you know what you are talking about.

    first..i going to keep this as short as i can.


    i stated to another poster, that the DOI was subjective but he did not quite agree, he believed it to be more a religious document.

    i stated to him that Jefferson's first original draft of the document was more religious, then the one in the national archives now.

    then you jumped in and started and accused me of creating things on my own.

    thats when i told you to "read the original draft"
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    with unalienable rights..........they in no way can be alienated away from someone, even if the person wanted to

    with inalienable rights......the person cannot give up his rights by law, ..however he can freely give them up by his own consent...IE... WAIVE HIS RIGHTS
    They are the same thing. They are interchangeable. They are synonyms of each other. You are free to use whatever terms you want to express yourself--that is actually your inalienable or unalienable right to do--but I will continue to use them as the Founders used the terms and as the dictionary defines them--and the dictionary defines them exactly in the same way as I just illustrated. (And that is my inalienable or unalienable right to do.)
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    what is the god of nature...some do not equate that to the god of heaven

    Jefferson original draft was more of a religious nature, the final draft toned it down more.
    Wow... it says God, it says Creator (capital 'C'), and you are arguing that somehow they meant anything other than 'a higher power,' which however you look at it throws agnostics and atheists out of the equation. That's either denial or selective hearing or something.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Everyone who wants to participate in a thread is free to do so and is thus part of that conversation as it is all public and open to all. If you want a PRIVATE conversation with another poster, the board has a PM service they provide. If you do not know how to use it I will be happy to guide you through.
    you see you don't even know what you were even arguing about......you are just arguing to argue.


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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    They are the same thing. They are interchangeable. They are synonyms of each other. You are free to use whatever terms you want to express yourself--that is actually your inalienable or unalienable right to do--but I will continue to use them as the Founders used the terms and as the dictionary defines them--and the dictionary defines them exactly in the same way as I just illustrated. (And that is my inalienable or unalienable right to do.)
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    You can post whatever you want me to see in the Bouvier Law Dictionary. But even if it does define a word as you want it defined, does that override all the other dictionaries that define the same word in the same way as the definitions I posted?

    Never mind I'll do it for you. From the Bouvier Law Dictionary (which doesn't exactly support your argument does it):

    UNALIENABLE. The state of a thing or right which cannot be sold. 2. Things which are not in commerce, as public roads, are in their nature unalienable. Some things are unalienable, in consequence of particular provisions in the law forbidding their sale or transfer, as pensions granted by the government. The natural rights of life and liberty are unalienable.
    INALIENABLE. This word is applied to those things, the property of which cannot be lawfully transferred from one person to another. Public highways and rivers are of this kind; there are also many rights which are inalienable, as the rights of liberty, or of speech.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat364 View Post
    Wow... it says God, it says Creator (capital 'C'), and you are arguing that somehow they meant anything other than 'a higher power,' which however you look at it throws agnostics and atheists out of the equation. That's either denial or selective hearing or something.
    i said that in the original version of the document it was more religious....because Jefferson used "sacred."

    the document uses their creator , it does not say the Lord god, leaving the reader with subjective reading because it says

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -


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