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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    get a grip.....and
    use your head

    when i said you, i mean you and me ..us ,we, now

    you judge the people of 200 or more yrs ago for there actions

    you and me ..us ,we, now.......are going to be judged by generations in the future for the terrible things we did.

    so get a grip


    I have and it tells me that you're full of it.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I have and it tells me that you're full of it.
    you seem to think you do no wrong.....well get a grip you do.

    in your personal life and in decisions i am sure you wanted on government actions ......which were taken.

    you are constantly talking about people of the past and criticizing them for their actions, well the decisions you and me ..us ,we, now make are going to be criticized in the future.

    so before you cast any stones, you better look about for those stones that are coming your way...you are not perfect human being.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Let me stop you there. ANY right can be "taken away" in the sense that a person can be deprived of it. The issue, though, is whether someone who isn't the grantor of the right can "take it away" in the ethical or legal sense. In the case of natural rights, we're talking about a moral or ethical state of affairs. Perhaps you don't believe in morality; you just assume that life exists and there's no point to it. Whatever rights you get come only from a beneficial human. If that's the case, then our discussion is over, because no amount of moral proselytizing on my part will sway you. But from a legal standpoint if the state says, for example, that you have a right to be repaid for a debt and I just say, "Screw it. I'm not repaying you," according to your logic your right to repayment ends there. I mean, if you're going to argue that someone other than the grantor of a right can "take it away" then, well, I just took your right away.
    Gentle disagreement. A 'natural' or 'unalienable' or 'inalienable' or 'God given' right cannot be taken away. A legal or civil right can be--a law that grants you the privilege of driving on a public highway, for instance, can be changed to only allow certain people to drive on that highway. So a right that you had, is taken away.

    But nobody can take away your right to live, to breathe, to hope, to aspire, to seek your own comfort or happiness, to believe what you believe, to worship as you choose, to think, to speak what you think, to create, to rejoice, to grieve, to inspire, to explore, to wonder, to choose to defend or protect yourself or what you love or what you have. Nor can you give such unalienable rights to a single other soul. All other people can do is restrict or remove your ability to exercise or demonstrate such rights just as a roadblock can restrict your ability to exercise your right to drive on that highway.

    The Constitution was intended to prevent a king or pope or other authority from interfering with the liberty to fully enjoy and exercise our unalienable rights so long as we did not require contribution or participation by any other.

    It is a concept I think that is crystal clear to those who really understand the concept that went into the original Constitution. But those who have been so brainwashed or influenced so that they are unable to comprehend that concept, it is all foolishness to them. And the more the pity for it.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you seem to think you do no wrong.....well get a grip you do.

    in your personal life and in decisions i am sure you wanted on government actions ......which were taken.

    you are constantly talking about people of the past and criticizing them for their actions, well the decisions you and me ..us ,we, now make are going to be criticized in the future.

    so before you cast any stones, you better look about for those stones that are coming your way...
    you are not perfect human being
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    That's your opinion which you are entitled to and I will ignore since so many of your opinions are totally wrong.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Gentle disagreement. A 'natural' or 'unalienable' or 'inalienable' or 'God given' right cannot be taken away. A legal or civil right can be--a law that grants you the privilege of driving on a public highway, for instance, can be changed to only allow certain people to drive on that highway. So a right that you had, is taken away.

    But nobody can take away your right to live, to breathe, to hope, to aspire, to seek your own comfort or happiness, to believe what you believe, to worship as you choose, to think, to speak what you think, to create, to rejoice, to grieve, to inspire, to explore, to wonder, to choose to defend or protect yourself or what you love or what you have. Nor can you give such unalienable rights to a single other soul. All other people can do is restrict or remove your ability to exercise or demonstrate such rights just as a roadblock can restrict your ability to exercise your right to drive on that highway.

    It is a concept I think that is crystal clear to those who really understand the concept that went into the original Constitution. But those who have been so brainwashed or influenced so that they are unable to comprehend that concept, it is all foolishness to them. And the more the pity for it.

    unalienable means... rights cannot be separated from you in anyway.

    inalienable means....rights cannot be separated from you in any lawful way, meaning .........you by you own consent can give them up.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    unalienable means... rights cannot be separated from you in anyway.

    inalienable means....rights cannot be separated from you in any lawful way, meaning .........you by you own consent can give them up.
    Inalienable - unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor:

    Unalienable - another term for inalienable.

    They actually are synonyms. The Declaration of Independence uses the term 'unalienable' so I usually do too. But I mean the exact same thing whichever word I use.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That's your opinion which you are entitled to and I will ignore since so many of your opinions are totally wrong.
    oh, so you are prefect?

    you may as well learn now that everything we as a people do whether you support it or not is going to be criticized by future generations.

    you are very quick to find fault with people who live in an age you have no understanding of.

    you remind me of the guy who describes what it like to be a slave, yet.... never was one.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Inalienable - unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor:

    Unalienable - another term for inalienable.

    They actually are synonyms. The Declaration of Independence uses the term 'unalienable' so I usually do too. But I mean the exact same thing whichever word I use.
    no they are not, which is why i posted old definitions.

    unalienable cannot be separated in any way.

    inalienable cannot be separated lawfully....

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, so you are prefect?

    you may as well learn now that everything we as a people do whether you support it or not is going to be criticized by future generations.

    you are very quick to find fault with people who live in an age you have no understanding of.

    you remind me of the guy who describes what it like to be a slave, yet.... never was one.


    That guy exists only in your mind with the other demons.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no they are not, which is why i posted old definitions.

    unalienable cannot be separated in any way.

    inalienable cannot be separated lawfully....
    Come on. You aren't going to make this into a battle of semantics are you?


    inalienable
    ADJECTIVE
    unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor:
    "freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights"
    synonyms: inviolable · absolute · sacrosanct · untransferable ·
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    Inalienable | Define Inalienable at Dictionary.com
    adjective 1. not alienable; not transferable to another or capable of being repudiated: inalienable rights.

    Inalienable rights legal definition of Inalienable rights
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    Inalienable. Not subject to sale or transfer; inseparable. That which is inalienable cannot be bought, sold, or transferred from one individual to another.

    Unalienable | Definition of unalienable by Merriam-Webster
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    Full Definition of UNALIENABLE : inalienable
    impossible to take away or give up

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    un·al·ien·a·ble
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    Not to be separated, given away, or taken away; inalienable:
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