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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    yes the natural right to freedom..i believe any slave has the right to kill there captive/slave owner to gain freedom..even god does not own people ...other than that there should be laws
    I find the lack of logic in humans most disturbing...

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    They are just as inalienable in other countries as they are here. The concept was recognized and written about extensively all the way back to ancient Greece and is found within the writings of such ancient philosophers as Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle followed later by Cicero, the Stoics, and the great philosophers of the enlightenment, all living in societies in which people often did not have the liberty to exercise their natural rights, but knew that such rights existed nevertheless.

    John Locke argued that man was born into a state of nature in which he was rational, tolerant, and happy and could enjoy the rights of life, liberty, and property unhindered. But some chose to threaten the liberties of others and therefore humankind entered into a social contract aka compact in which all would agree on how society would guarantee the rights of all. Locke believed that the only reason for the existence of government was to preserve natural rights and, by extension, man’s happiness and security.

    Thomas Jefferson
    eloquently expressed such a concept with the Declaration of Independence that was intended to be affirmed by the Preamble of the Constitution and the way the U.S. government was structured.


    Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner who treated some of his slaves brutally. That's a fact.

    What happened to those slaves natural rights?




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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner who treated some of his slaves brutally. That's a fact.

    What happened to those slaves natural rights?
    They got hosed?

    You know, even a hypocrite can be right.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    They got hosed?

    You know, even a hypocrite can be right.
    slaves were considered "property" and not people

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    They got hosed?


    You know, even a hypocrite can be right.


    History tells us what happened to them.

    The USA's 'founding fathers' fought the Revolutionary War to secure their own rights and freedom. Not for the rights and freedom of the women and slaves that they controlled.

    The rights and freedom of the slaves and women in the USA were only secured after long, hard struggles.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    A "privilege....IE... civil right/legal right" of government

    i want to be a licensed professional, so i exercise my "natural right to seek to be one" by following the regulations of government...getting the needed education, testing, and when i have satisfied those requirements government exercises it powers and issues me a license for my new profession.

    A "natural" right of the people

    i decide i will take a walk to the park of my neighborhood....i exercise my power of movement of my feet in the direction i wish to go, and i am on my way without government hindering me by stating i need oral permission/ license/ permit of that government to walk to my neighborhood park.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    History tells us what happened to them.

    The USA's 'founding fathers' fought the Revolutionary War to secure their own rights and freedom. Not for the rights and freedom of the women and slaves that they controlled.

    The rights and freedom of the slaves and women in the USA were only secured after long, hard struggles.
    the treatment of women was no different then it had been for centuries...

    Blacks were not consider people but property.....i know its something today we think of as crazy.

    200 yrs from now people in the future are going to judge you and i, are you willing to accept that?

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This topic seems to have popped up in a few threads recently so I thought I'd put this together. Put simply do you believe in the concept of natural rights? That is to say rights that are "not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable".

    Personally I don't. I think that Hobbes had it right when he intimated that the only 'natural right' that a human being possesses is the right to strive for their own survival. Everything else exists only at the sufferance of your own strength or the kindness of others. It is part of what makes civilization so essential and so valuable, because by creating a society we attempt to lift ourselves out of that war of all against all. This allows for freedom of speech, property rights, press freedoms, freedom of worship, etc. Absent organized society these 'rights' would be purely theoretical.
    I would agree. Rights do not grow in nature. Whatever rights people agree on are only effective if they are politically sanctioned.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the treatment of women was no different then it had been for centuries...

    Blacks were not consider people but property.....i know its something today we think of as crazy.

    200 yrs from now people in the future are going to judge you and i, are you willing to accept that?


    BS. 200 years from now no one will know that we ever existed.

    Get a grip.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    BS. 200 years from now no one will know that we ever existed.

    Get a grip.
    get a grip.....and use your head

    when i said you, i mean you and me ..us ,we, now

    you judge the people of 200 or more yrs ago for there actions

    you and me ..us ,we, now.......are going to be judged by generations in the future for the terrible things we did.

    so get a grip

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