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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's only part of the definition. You're describing Human Rights, not Natural Rights. Human Rights, that is rights inherent of the individual simply for being human, do certainly exist. But Natural Rights, by definition, are inalienable. All Human Rights are alienable so therefore no Human Right is a Natural Right.
    Why don't you look up the definition of 'inalienable' for yourself? I have posted it several times now but it must be in invisible ink or something at least for a select few here..
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    My how times have changed.
    yes it has... because the people are uneducated.

    "when the people become uneducated and don't know what kind of government they have, it will turn into a democracy fellowed by a dictatorship"
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no!
    Sorry, but yes. If the right to life were inalienable then there would be no murder. If the right to liberty were inalienable then prisons would be empty.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    bad mouthing the founders will get you nowhere!
    Actually TRUTH and FACTS get me everywhere.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Why don't you look up the definition of 'inalienable' for yourself? I have posted it several times now but it must be in invisible ink or something at least for a select few here..
    I have, I even linked to it in this thread in support of my argument.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sorry, but yes. If the right to life were inalienable then there would be no murder. If the right to liberty were inalienable then prisons would be empty.

    again the word in not INALIENABLE

    UNALIENABLE means rights are not granted by man but by a higher power, which is out of the control of man.

    government is to secure rights......it does not mean they can stop rights violations, it means government uses positive laws made by man to settle the violation.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually TRUTH and FACTS get me everywhere.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    emotional contention is not working for you.
    Nothing in that post was emotional content. Your impotence to refute any of it speaks volumes. I ask again regarding your assertion that the federal government has no authority over the people: in the 225 years we have been under the Constitution, what single decision of the US Supreme Court agrees with this opinion about the limits of the Constitution?

    I dare you to come up with one single decision which says the absolute inane nonsense you just spewed here..... yet again.

    The fact is that your opinion on this is so extreme... so fringe ... so far out there ... so far divorced from reality - that not one Court decision in 225 takes that position.
    Not a one.

    That tells you just what such delusions are the product of.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nothing in that post was emotional content. Your impotence to refute any of it speaks volumes. I ask again regarding your assertion that the federal government has no authority over the people: in the 225 years we have been under the Constitution, what single decision of the US Supreme Court agrees with this opinion about the limits of the Constitution?

    I dare you to come up with one single decision which says the absolute inane nonsense you just spewed here..... yet again.

    The fact is that your opinion on this is so extreme... so fringe ... so far out there ... so far divorced from reality - that not one Court decision in 225 takes that position.
    Not a one.

    That tells you just what such delusions are the product of.
    in original constitutional law, the federal government has no authority over the people ...none!

    their are no powers delegated to the federal government in the constitution of which the founders created in the lifes liberty and property of the people......none!
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    in original constitutional law, the federal government has no authority over the people ...none!
    If 1787 ever comes around again, you let us all know. Until there is such a breach in the space time continuum and that unlikely event happens - deal with reality EB. It makes rational thought so much easier.
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