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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's only part of the definition. You're describing Human Rights, not Natural Rights. Human Rights, that is rights inherent of the individual simply for being human, do certainly exist. But Natural Rights, by definition, are inalienable. All Human Rights are alienable so therefore no Human Right is a Natural Right.
    do you see human rights in the constitution?

    do you see INALIENABLE in the DOI?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and apparently those who can read the Preamble to the Constitution.
    those who READ the DOI...AND UNDERSTAND OUR DOCUMENTS

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the responsibility to prove something rests with those asserting the positive - in this case that natural rights do exist.

    You cannot always prove something claimed or believed does not exist since it involves proving a negative. For example - nobody can prove that there are not three inch monkeys made of blue flame who play a version of professional basketball underneath the surface of uranus. But for one to assert the existence of such - they must offer proof of such a thing.
    sorry the proof in on you to prove they dont exist.....because i have posted my proof ..you have not!
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    government is instituted to secure rights...that is it sole purpose....it is the uneducated among us, who believe government is here for other purposes.
    Right, but being free means not having an authority over you, for better or worse.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    do you see human rights in the constitution?

    do you see INALIENABLE in the DOI?
    I do see them. I also see them in the dictionary. The Founders were wrong. Life and liberty are not Natural Rights and we can prove this time and again.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    those who READ the DOI...AND UNDERSTAND OUR DOCUMENTS

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
    And if
    1- the Declaration set up our government you may just have a leg to stand on.... since it does NOT , neither do you
    2- and then consider the reality the men who wrote than and signed it did not believe the very crap they released to the world so neither does anyone but the naive and gullible or those engaged in denial of reality
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, but being free means not having an authority over you, for better or worse.
    in original constitutional law, the u.s. federal government has no authority over the people....none!
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry the proof in on you to prove they dont exist.....because i have posted my proof ..you have not!
    you have posted nothing other than statements of faith from fellow believers - and that is worth less than the utilitarian value of one pound of garden manure.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And if
    1- the Declaration set up our government you may just have a leg to stand on.... since it does NOT , neither do you
    2- and then consider the reality the men who wrote than and signed it did not believe the very crap they released to the world so neither does anyone but the naive and gullible or those engaged in denial of reality
    bad mouthing the founders will get you nowhere!
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Interesting that all the discussion of the DOI fails to mention the "creator' that grants the inalienable rights. This is not 'natural' rights, this is a religious statement, and very contrary to the current use of 'natural rights' as somehow existing free of constructs such as religion and society.

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