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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    People who don't like the limitations the Bill of RIghts imposes on the federal government try to undermine those restrictions with all sorts of silly diversions
    like actually having a sense of humor.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Maybe you ought to watch the video then.
    if i posted video of a 19 year old kid, and his point was to say to you....natural law is real, natural rights exist.......you would be laughing, well that all i can do with this video of yours.

    when you can give me legal information that says natural law /rights do not exist, then post it.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So if I have a right to property, does that mean I can claim the moon? Can anyone? If not, why not? After all, you are saying we have a right to own things, to property. What property do people have a right to own exactly?
    You have the right to property that you ethically or legally acquired. A pretty simple concept actually.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    like actually having a sense of humor.
    trying to limit our rights and expand the power of government is not something freedom loving Americans find humorous
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, this guy is Napoleon. Here's that video you wanted a link to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5c-oOxphvg
    I watched the first five minutes and enjoyed it. I gotta tell you that if you produced this thing you have the patience of Job. I really do not know how you can go step by step through the mental illness that so much of right libertarianism is and still do it with calm and restraint.

    I thought the points about"natural rights floating magically around in the ether" was terrific. Great phrase that I may steal from time to time. Like wise for the unicorn assumption comparison which is the essence of the way libertarians argue.

    I hope to see the rest later if the ball game ends early and the Tigers hopefully win..
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    trying to limit our rights and expand the power of government is not something freedom loving Americans find humorous
    Nobody can limit rights that you don't have in the first place.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    At what point does an action that you can do become a 'natural right'? (e.g. throwing stones at fish)

    At what point does an action that you can no longer do not become a 'natural right'? (e.g. as someone said, claim the moon)
    Only that which requires no contribution or participation by any other can be considered a natural right. Only that which you cannot receive from another nor give away can be considered a natural right. Property itself is not a natural right. But so long as nobody else's rights are infringed, to use legally and ethically acquired property as you choose to use it is a natural right.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not at all, because choosing not to engage in a right because of potential deterrents does not make said right inalienable.
    Choosing not to excersize a right is not the same as someone blocking you from using it.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness have existed since the mythical Garden of Eden. They have not changed in all the time humans have lived on Earth. The words we use to describe them may change, the way we administrate and control them via various forms of social structure and government may change, but the concepts themselves have not and will not change.
    Right, they change with the civil structure as opposed to remaining consistent regardless of the civil structure. This makes life, liberty & property civil rights, not inalienable natural rights.

    Please note, the 14th Amendment provides that a person may be so deprived of their rights through Due Process. If these were inalienable rights, no process could deprive you of them.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nobody can limit rights that you don't have in the first place.
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    since you have already in the past claimed the constitution created rights for the people.

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    The 19th effectively gave females the right to vote. There is no doubt about that in the rational mind of any thinking person who knows history.
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    It most certainly does and I already gave you several examples including rights contained in the Sixth Amendment and the various right to vote provisions.
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    Everything in that article confirms that the right to vote was given to women by the 19th Amendment. This proves you wrong beyond any doubt. For you to deny it - yet again - is simply a sign of your refusal to accept reality and fact because it would destroy your extremist self imposed belief system.

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