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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You could also claim you are Napoleon.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    BINGO! You win a cruise to the Bahamas. People who push the natural rights fantasy are always confusing mere abilities because of the biology of the species with rights.
    People who don't like the limitations the Bill of RIghts imposes on the federal government try to undermine those restrictions with all sorts of silly diversions
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You could also claim you are Napoleon.
    Well, I just need surgery for that and bam I'm mother****ing Napoleon.

    Sorry, that was horrible. Forgive me.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You could also claim you are Napoleon.
    No, this guy is Napoleon. Here's that video you wanted a link to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5c-oOxphvg
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, this guy is Napoleon. Here's that video you wanted a link to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5c-oOxphvg
    is is funny, from a guy who just proclaims everyone to be wrong but provides nothing, and when he cannot make his point, he talks about people personally....
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    is is funny, from a guy who just proclaims everyone to be wrong but provides nothing, and when he cannot make his point, he talks about people personally....
    Maybe you ought to watch the video then.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Maybe you ought to watch the video then.
    your cannot defeat the founding fathers, our founding documents....natural law / unwritten law.

    1763

    Every British Subject born on the continent of America, or in any other of the British dominions, is by the law of God and nature, by the common law, and by act of parliament, (exclusive of all charters from the crown) entitled to all the natural, essential, inherent and inseparable rights of our fellow subjects in Great- Britain......


    The end of government being the good of mankind, points out its great duties: It is above all things to provide for the security, the quiet, and happy enjoyment of life, liberty, and property. There is no one act which a government can have a right to make, that does not tend to the advancement of the security, tranquility and prosperity of the people.


    The Rights of the Colonists

    November 20, 1772

    Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.

    All men have a right to remain in a state of nature as long as they please; and in case of intolerable oppression, civil or religious, to leave the society they belong to, and enter into another.

    When men enter into society, it is by voluntary consent; and they have a right to demand and insist upon the performance of such conditions and previous limitations as form an equitable original compact.

    Every natural right not expressly given up, or, from the nature of a social compact, necessarily ceded, remains.

    All positive and civil laws should conform, as far as possible, to the law of natural reason and equity.


    The Declaration Independence of the thirteen united States of America July 1776

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,


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    Amendment V


    December 1791

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


    AMENDMENT XIV

    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Unwritten Law

    Unwritten rules, principles, and norms that have the effect and force of law though they have not been formally enacted by the government.

    Most laws in America are written. The U.S. Code, the Code of Federal Regulations, and the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure are three examples of written laws that are frequently cited in federal court. Each state has a similar body of written laws. By contrast, unwritten law consists of those customs, traditions, practices, usages, and other maxims <--------self evident truths........... of human conduct <-------------natural rights.........that the government recognized ,<------------recognized in the constitution................and enforced<---------------by positive law/statute.

    Unwritten law is most commonly found in primitive societies where illiteracy is prevalent. Because many residents in such societies cannot read or write, there is little point in publishing written laws to govern their conduct. Instead, societal disputes in primitive societies are resolved informally, through appeal to unwritten maxims of fairness or popularly accepted modes of behavior. Litigants present their claims orally in most primitive societies, and judges announce their decisions in the same fashion. The governing body in primitive societies typically enforces the useful traditions that are widely practiced in the community, while those practices that are novel or harmful fall into disuse or are discouraged.

    Much of International Law is a form of primitive unwritten law. For centuries the Rules of War governing hostilities between belligerents consisted of a body of unwritten law. While some of these rules have been codified by international bodies such as the United Nations, many have not. For example, retaliatory reprisals against acts of Terrorism by a foreign government are still governed by unwritten customs in the international community. Each nation also retains discretion in formulating a response to the aggressive acts of a neighboring state.

    In the United States, unwritten law takes on a variety of forms. In Constitutional Law the Supreme Court has ruled that the due process clause of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution protects the right to privacy even though the word privacy is not mentioned in the written text of the Constitution. In Commercial Law the Uniform Commercial Code permits merchants to resolve legal disputes by introducing evidence of unwritten customs, practices, and usages that others in the same trade generally follow. The entire body of Common Law, comprising cases decided by judges on matters relating to torts and contracts, among other things, is said to reflect unwritten standards that have evolved over time. In each case, however, once a court, legislature, or other government body formally adopts a standard, principle, or Maxim in writing, it ceases to be an unwritten law.

    unwritten law legal definition of unwritten law

    Unwritten law refers to the law based upon custom, usage, and judicial decisions. It is distinguished from the enactments of a legislature, orders or decrees in writing. Although an unwritten law is not enacted in the form of statute or ordinance, it has got legal sanction. An unwritten law need not be expressly evidenced in court decisions, but may be collected, gathered or implied there from under statute.

    In In re Estate of Spoya, 129 Mont. 83 (Mont. 1955), the court held that unwritten law is the law not promulgated and recorded, but which is, nevertheless, observed and administered in the courts of the country. It has no certain repository, but is collected from the reports of the decisions of the courts and treatises of learned men.


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    State and Federal Models of the Interaction between Statutes and Unwritten Law
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    For the sake of argument, even though I agree it was wrong because that's how we view things in the western world, how do you know those things were wrong? What is your criteria? Right and wrong are entirely subjective, surely the Nazis didn't think that what they were doing was wrong or they wouldn't have done it. So please, demonstrate that you have some kind of correct moral high ground that goes beyond subjective claims. I don't think you can do it.
    How do I know these things were wrong? Reason? Common sense? A belief that people in the only natural society there is, the family, have a natural affinity for one another? That life has value?

    And why do you seem to think only people in the West feel this way? Try this on for size: How many people were taking numbers to go to Pol Pot's Killing Fields? Where do you think the Maoist Khmer Rouge got its inspiration from? How many tens of millions of Chinese intellectuals do you think volunteered to be forced from their careers in cities to starve to death or serve as slaves in forced-labor camps or collectives? How many Tutsis do you think lined up to get hacked to death by Hutus during the Rwandan Genocide? So, really, where is the subjectivity here? I mean, is it natural to want to succumb to starvation or watch as your parents are sliced up like Italian sausages? I'm not convinced.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    The Organic Laws of the United States

    The four primary documents - The Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the Constitution

    The Declaration of Independence

    IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.



    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
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