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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    So throwing rocks at fish is a natural right (as long as the fish don't belong to anyone)?
    Yes. Fish are property.

    And I could claim the entire natural resources of the Andromeda galaxy, as it is my natural right to do so?

    When rights are defined so broadly they lose all practical meaning.
    Yeah, I suppose. You seem to have forgetten that people claimed entire continents not that long ago.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You mean that thing that theists miserably fail to demonstrate? That deity? No wonder you're a libertarian, libertarianism is almost identical to religion in a lot of ways.
    so does being slightly conservative mean one is undecided or unsure about one's beliefs?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    At what point does an action that you can do become a 'natural right'? (e.g. throwing stones at fish)

    pretend you walking in the forest of ohio in 1790 and you come upon a lake with fish jumping , and the land, lake,fish is not owned by anyone..can you throw stones at them.......yes, because they are the property of no one.


    At what point does an action that you can no longer do not become a 'natural right'? (e.g. as someone said, claim the moon)
    you at in the pacific ocean on a ship hundreds of miles from other land, and a island were to appear out of nowhere, and you step ashore on it and no one is there but you, can you claim it as your property....... of course you can


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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes. Fish are property.

    Yeah, I suppose. You seem to have forgetten that people claimed entire continents not that long ago.
    I'm not forgetting they did it. I'm just unsure how it arose that they had the right to do it.

    So in your eyes, literally any action that you can take that does not infringe upon the rights of others is a natural right? Or is there something else that differentiates a natural right from 'thing you can do'.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so does being slightly conservative mean one is undecided or unsure about one's beliefs?
    No, it means that I share some things with those who identify as conservative (often wrongly IMO) and some that do not.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    I'm not forgetting they did it. I'm just unsure how it arose that they had the right to do it.
    Well, the way it arose involved theft on a grand scale, and so what they did is not justified by natural rights. Still, someone could in theory own all that land and not violate anyone's rights.

    So in your eyes, literally any action that you can take that does not infringe upon the rights of others is a natural right? Or is there something else that differentiates a natural right from 'thing you can do'.
    Yes, that is correct.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and you are claiming my statement is "convoluted"?
    Congratulation for reading the words as I wrote them.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    So throwing rocks at fish is a natural right (as long as the fish don't belong to anyone)?

    And I could claim the entire natural resources of the Andromeda galaxy, as it is my natural right to do so?

    When rights are defined so broadly they lose all practical meaning.
    BINGO! You win a cruise to the Bahamas. People who push the natural rights fantasy are always confusing mere abilities because of the biology of the species with rights.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    BINGO! You win a cruise to the Bahamas. People who push the natural rights fantasy are always confusing mere abilities because of the biology of the species with rights.


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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you at in the pacific ocean on a ship hundreds of miles from other land, and a island were to appear out of nowhere, and you step ashore on it and no one is there but you, can you claim it as your property....... of course you can


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