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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So if I have a right to property, does that mean I can claim the moon? Can anyone? If not, why not? After all, you are saying we have a right to own things, to property. What property do people have a right to own exactly?
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    This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

    In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

    He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

    He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

    He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

    In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

    Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.

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    Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Apparently someone thinks that pasting whole texts without much critiquesolves the metaphysical dilemma.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You mean that thing that theists miserably fail to demonstrate? That deity? No wonder you're a libertarian, libertarianism is almost identical to religion in a lot of ways.
    For many it is exactly the same. they believe because they have made a choice to believe because they want to believe. Its sad.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Apparently someone thinks that pasting whole texts without much critiquesolves the metaphysical dilemma.
    It is a substitute for having to present a position and then defend it. So its easier to let somebody who has been dead for two centuries do your talking for you.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Apparently someone thinks that pasting whole texts without much critiquesolves the metaphysical dilemma.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Of course caveman, as much as anybody else, had the right to pursue happiness in any way available to him. For him happiness might have been defeating the sabertooth tiger or finding supper for the day or just enjoying great weather or whatever. We Americans indeed did fight for the ability to pursue happiness as we chose to pursue it unrestricted from the dictate of monarch or church authority or anybody else who would deny us that choice.
    At what point does an action that you can do become a 'natural right'? (e.g. throwing stones at fish)

    At what point does an action that you can no longer do not become a 'natural right'? (e.g. as someone said, claim the moon)
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    At what point does an action that you can do become a 'natural right'? (e.g. throwing stones at fish)
    Unless they are someones fish, sure, throw the rocks. It would probably get boring in a few seconds anyway.

    At what point does an action that you can no longer do not become a 'natural right'? (e.g. as someone said, claim the moon)
    There is no reason someone can't claim the moon. I can buy something that is across the world or I can buy something right down the street. There is no rule of ownership that deals with distance.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Unless they are someones fish, sure, throw the rocks. It would probably get boring in a few seconds anyway.

    There is no reason someone can't claim the moon. I can buy something that is across the world or I can buy something right down the street. There is no rule of ownership that deals with distance.
    So throwing rocks at fish is a natural right (as long as the fish don't belong to anyone)?

    And I could claim the entire natural resources of the Andromeda galaxy, as it is my natural right to do so?

    When rights are defined so broadly they lose all practical meaning.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    So throwing rocks at fish is a natural right (as long as the fish don't belong to anyone)?

    And I could claim the entire natural resources of the Andromeda galaxy, as it is my natural right to do so?

    When rights are defined so broadly they lose all practical meaning.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    So throwing rocks at fish is a natural right (as long as the fish don't belong to anyone)?
    Yes. Fish are property.

    And I could claim the entire natural resources of the Andromeda galaxy, as it is my natural right to do so?

    When rights are defined so broadly they lose all practical meaning.
    Yeah, I suppose. You seem to have forgetten that people claimed entire continents not that long ago.

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