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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's why I consider libertarianism to be more of a religion than a political position. They have to have blind and unassailable faith in their positions, no matter how absurd they are.
    That is fair and accurate. Obviously every sort of ideology has some maxims attached to it but libertarianism stands out as it makes no apologies that it is simply one belief built upon another belief and there is no real world proof of any of it. And because the American people wisely treat the LIBERTARIAN label like the skull and crossbones at election time each round, they have the luxury of never having to put their silly nonsense to any real world test to see how it actually works.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    my personal opinion, is not what others may interpret from the DOI its up to the reader....but as for me myself, yes, but thats me, and not other people might think.
    Just to be clear EB - you do believe that natural rights come from a Creator. Is that correct?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This topic seems to have popped up in a few threads recently so I thought I'd put this together. Put simply do you believe in the concept of natural rights? That is to say rights that are "not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable".

    Personally I don't. I think that Hobbes had it right when he intimated that the only 'natural right' that a human being possesses is the right to strive for their own survival. Everything else exists only at the sufferance of your own strength or the kindness of others. It is part of what makes civilization so essential and so valuable, because by creating a society we attempt to lift ourselves out of that war of all against all. This allows for freedom of speech, property rights, press freedoms, freedom of worship, etc. Absent organized society these 'rights' would be purely theoretical.
    Might makes right or in this case, rights. Without the might, neither right nor rights can exist.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its plain as the nose on you face if you would start by reading the constitution....but you will not
    The Constitution does not translate Barkmanese into standard English. Only you can try to do that.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well, there you are folks...nothing, nothing..i constantly hear rights are created by government by man..yet when proof is asked for...none is given!
    that is not true. I gave you the example of VOTING RIGHTS and the SIXTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Some people have no clue how to carry out an intellectual debate, they just keep repeating the same thing over and over again without realizing that they have to actually back up their statements with evidence. No wonder libertarians are so laughable.
    Its a dog chasing its own tail over and over and over and over and over again.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    to the founders voting is a privilege.....as stated by the constitution.

    the USSC took voting out of state constitutions, recognizing it as a right......but in reality its not because a government action must be performed for voting to take place.
    The official US CONSTITUTION refers to THE RIGHT TO VOTE or a slight variation on that language at least FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES in at least FIVE DIFFERENT PLACES.

    Stop the crap making up nonsense calling voting a privilege when the Constitution calls it a RIGHT.

    This is a clear and undeniable example where the Constitution you think exists is a figment of delusion on your part since you deny basic reality that is verified in black and white right there in the Constitution.

    Stop it already EB. You are making yourself look delusional.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    state legislatures elected the senate before the 17th NOT THE PEOPLE..its purpose was to BLOCK the COLLECTIVE capacity of the people, and place a CHECK on federal power.

    this is the year 2015 EB. Get over it already. Accept it. Its called reality.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is fair and accurate. Obviously every sort of ideology has some maxims attached to it but libertarianism stands out as it makes no apologies that it is simply one belief built upon another belief and there is no real world proof of any of it. And because the American people wisely treat the LIBERTARIAN label like the skull and crossbones at election time each round, they have the luxury of never having to put their silly nonsense to any real world test to see how it actually works.
    Actually, I'm just about to throw a video about that up on my YouTube channel tomorrow. It's just so ridiculous.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, I'm just about to throw a video about that up on my YouTube channel tomorrow. It's just so ridiculous.
    post a link here when you do it. I would like watch that.
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