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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Is the concept that FDR is speaking of considered blasphemy

    The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.

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    governments have killed more people and violated the rights of more people then anyone person or group ever has.

    "the first bulwark shall be the senate controlled by the state legislatures, followed by the second bulwark which shall be the federal courts"

    government looks out for its own interest, "as government power grows, liberty recedes"

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.

    red = wrong

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    governments have killed more people and violated the rights of more people then anyone person or group ever has.

    "the first bulwark shall be the senate controlled by the state legislatures, followed by the second bulwark which shall be the federal courts"

    government looks out for its own interest, "as government power grows, liberty recedes"
    And who ultimately elects the government to power?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Then they were wrong.
    no they were not, the USSC was wrong.

    how can the people who created the constitution, be wrong about it?

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no they were not, the USSC was wrong.

    how can the people who created the constitution, be wrong about it?
    Because they were human and we all make mistakes.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And who ultimately elects the government to power?
    state legislatures elected the senate before the 17th NOT THE PEOPLE..its purpose was to BLOCK the COLLECTIVE capacity of the people, and place a CHECK on federal power.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Because they were human and we all make mistakes.
    no ..no mistake about it for the founders, only the court.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    state legislatures elected the senate before the 17th NOT THE PEOPLE..its purpose was to BLOCK the COLLECTIVE capacity of the people, and place a CHECK on federal power.
    And what exists as a block against the states?

    The Supreme Court.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And what exists as a block against the states?

    The Supreme Court.
    Nope, the People. The SCOTUS was never meant to be a block against the states. In fact just the reverse, they were to block the federal when it infringed on the states and the People.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no ..no mistake about it for the founders, only the court.
    Nope they goofed and the Constitution has been amended. C ya Charlie I'm bored with playing semantical hop scotch.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Nope they goofed and the Constitution has been amended. C ya Charlie I'm bored with playing semantical hop scotch.
    That's actually a good point, if the founders were so perfect, why did the Constitution ever get amended at all? They should have gotten it right in the first place.
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