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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    EB ignores the reality that government created the right to vote. That reality all by itself proves his assertions and claims to be wrong.
    It's not just him, lots of libertarians are the same way. They have this bizarre fantasy in their heads and think that makes it real.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you called privileges...Rights..and that not correct!
    Could you translate that to everyday English please?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh? care to prove me wrong in showing government creating a natural right.

    since you are sure of yourself..i know i am sure of myself
    There are no such thing as natural rights. All rights come from people. Give up your foolish fantasy.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not just him, lots of libertarians are the same way. They have this bizarre fantasy in their heads and think that makes it real.
    Exactly. Its Lalaland and all pie-in-the-sky. But its a pie that never gets baked or eaten or sold. Its all just fantastic beliefs that make the faerie kingdom look comparably reasonable.

    Earlier I posted information about the basic denial of reality of many right libertarians and the willful state of delusion it places them in. That is the only way they can reconcile the fantasy in their belief systems with the contrasting and contrary reality around them that screams they are woefully wrong.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Exactly. Its Lalaland and all pie-in-the-sky. But its a pie that never gets baked or eaten or sold. Its all just fantastic beliefs that make the faerie kingdom look comparably reasonable.

    Earlier I posted information about the basic denial of reality of many right libertarians and the willful state of delusion it places them in. That is the only way they can reconcile the fantasy in their belief systems with the contrasting and contrary reality around them that screams they are woefully wrong.
    That's why I consider libertarianism to be more of a religion than a political position. They have to have blind and unassailable faith in their positions, no matter how absurd they are.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?
    my personal opinion, is not what others may interpret from the DOI its up to the reader....but as for me myself, yes, but thats me, and not other people might think.


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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There are no such thing as natural rights. All rights come from people. Give up your foolish fantasy.
    why don't you prove what you are saying by showing law which has been created granting rights....to prove your point.....but it will be a unlimited wait for me to see that.


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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    why don't you prove what you are saying by showing law which has been created granting rights....to prove your point.....but it will be a unlimited wait.
    Especially since what you posted doesn't parse into English. Do try again and ask what you want to know in a clear and concise manner. And don't post drunk, that's always helpful.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Could you translate that to everyday English please?
    its plain as the nose on you face if you would start by reading the constitution....but you will not


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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its plain as the nose on you face if you would start by reading the constitution....but you will not
    The text of the Constitution won't change your bizarre and unclear posting style.
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