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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i can by pointing out no right has never been created by the u.s. government via law....government only creates privileges.
    In your mind and belief system what you call PRIVILEGES the Constitution calls RIGHTS.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I cannot be clearer.

    1- do you believe in natural rights?
    2- do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?
    1 yes.

    2. you?.......my belief or interpretation
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1 yes.

    2. you?.......my belief or interpretation
    Do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i can by pointing out no right has never been created by the u.s. government via law....government only creates privileges.
    No, you can ASSERT that. That seems to be all you can do.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In your mind and belief system what you call PRIVILEGES the Constitution calls RIGHTS.
    wrong!.......

    i shall prove you wrong.


    AMENDMENT XIV
    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    privileges are listed first, and then natural rights.........
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, you can ASSERT that. That seems to be all you can do.
    EB ignores the reality that government created the right to vote. That reality all by itself proves his assertions and claims to be wrong.
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong!.......

    i shall prove you wrong.


    AMENDMENT XIV
    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    privileges are listed first, and then natural rights.........
    What does that have to do with the reality that government created the right to vote for many Americans?
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, you can ASSERT that. That seems to be all you can do.
    oh? care to prove me wrong in showing government creating a natural right.

    since you are sure of yourself..i know i am sure of myself
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What does that have to do with the reality that government created the right to vote for many Americans?
    you called privileges...Rights..and that not correct!
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    Re: Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh? care to prove me wrong in showing government creating a natural right.

    since you are sure of yourself..i know i am sure of myself
    Since natural rights do not exist except in the mind of a believer and cannot be proven to exist independent of that belief, nobody can claim that government creates them so your question is nonsensical.
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